Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 9, 2025, 1:52 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter?
#69
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter?
(July 19, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Nope Wrote:
(July 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Incorrect. Jesus didn't simply take our place in hell; he paid a price that we were unable to pay so that we do not have to go to hell for eternity.


In our court system, part of the justice is punishment of the person who did something wrong. A murderer may be forgiven by God for his sins and go to heaven even though he is executed by lethal injection by the state which convicted him of the crime.

Now, the punishment for sin is death, but Jesus did not merely save us from punishment. He made it possible for those who have faith to be completely made new and restored to a right relationship with God. Therefore, God does not look at us as sinners who got away with something but as new creations in Christ.

Remember, the one who owns the window is God, and He alone determines what satisfies His own view of justice.

I noticed that you stuck with the window example and didn't acknowledge the worse scenario that Kusa used. If a man breaks into a house and rapes and kills everyone it would be offensive if he was set free because someone else volunteered to pay the criminal's due. If god owns the window, are you saying that god owns the family so the innocent husband's feelings don't matter?

Sins are committed against two parties: the husband of the family that is killed and the God who created them.

Our judicial system deals with the crime; God deals with the sin.

The murderer may go to jail or be executed. He may also go to heaven.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by luka - July 19, 2015 at 1:37 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 1:59 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Athene - July 19, 2015 at 2:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 3:07 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:07 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by polar bear - July 19, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by polar bear - July 19, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Bob Kelso - July 21, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by vorlon13 - July 19, 2015 at 9:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:04 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:32 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Longhorn - July 19, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Whateverist - July 19, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 10:57 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Chad32 - July 19, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Chad32 - July 19, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Chad32 - July 19, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 11:53 am
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 19, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Nope - July 19, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Randy Carson - July 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by The Valkyrie - July 20, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 20, 2015 at 10:58 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 20, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 20, 2015 at 11:22 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by The Valkyrie - July 20, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 21, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Silver - July 21, 2015 at 12:21 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 21, 2015 at 12:43 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Cato - July 21, 2015 at 2:46 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Pyrrho - July 21, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Spooky - July 21, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Godschild - July 21, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 21, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 2:25 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 2:37 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 21, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by KUSA - July 21, 2015 at 12:33 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Minimalist - July 21, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter? - by Pyrrho - July 21, 2015 at 4:18 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
Rainbow Why I believe in Jesus Christ Ai Somoto 20 4410 June 30, 2021 at 4:25 pm
Last Post: Nay_Sayer
  Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims zwanzig 177 32463 June 9, 2021 at 11:14 am
Last Post: John 6IX Breezy
  Why does god put the needs of the few above the need of the many? Greatest I am 69 10450 February 19, 2021 at 10:30 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Armageddon. Does it make Jesus rather evil? Greatest I am 21 3891 February 9, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first? Greatest I am 25 6625 September 22, 2020 at 10:14 pm
Last Post: GrandizerII
  Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? Fake Messiah 65 10410 March 28, 2019 at 5:32 pm
Last Post: Aliza
  Jesus suffering vs eternal suffering of temporary sinners purplepurpose 72 14615 November 19, 2018 at 4:55 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Why don't we have people named Jesus? Alexmahone 28 7904 April 5, 2018 at 8:17 pm
Last Post: Jenny A
  Christians: Why does the answer have to be god? IanHulett 67 19928 April 5, 2018 at 3:33 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Why does my family want me to be christian so much? Der/die AtheistIn 17 4062 March 29, 2018 at 7:12 pm
Last Post: Succubus



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)