RE: Is absolute 'nothing' really possible and/or coherent?
April 21, 2012 at 1:57 am
(This post was last modified: April 21, 2012 at 1:58 am by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
(April 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: The Universe = nothing. According to Stephen Hawking anyway - there is the same amount of anti matter in the universe as matter, therefore the mass of the universe is nothing. So actually everything is nothing.
It also gets around the xtian "how can something come from nothing" argument, because everything is nothing anyway!
Quite the brain bender.
Fascinating. I'm not sure if theist would except that as "nothing" though.
So anyway...
Basically, if what I understand is correct, "nothing" as used in modern cosmological arguments such as Craig's Kalam arguments, is nonsense, right? When they say "something cannot come from nothing" they might as well be saying "something cannot come from frumpwaddlelanny." I also think they might be falsely assuming that atheists believe that the universe came from the same sort of "nothing" that theists think "nothing" as being. So when theists say that atheists think the universe came from "nothing" they're putting in their own unique definition of "nothing" and misrepresenting their opponents.
My ignore list
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
