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Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
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RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
I am going to just correct your understanding of my theology, and clarify a few points.

(November 4, 2012 at 4:42 pm)Ryantology Wrote: This has come up several times between myself and Drich, as he lacks the wits to realize he paints himself into a corner every time he attempts to justify the crimes God encourages, or directly commits. So, I'd like to address it as its own topic, as it usually comes up within others.
to translate Ryantology will say "God has killed people." I will say something like:"So?"

Quote:1: God is all-knowing, all-powerful, everywhere at once. He is the very quintessence of 'good'. He is the ultimate morality. He is the ultimate righteousness.
I could argue/refine these points, but for the sake of this arguement this observation is close enough.

Quote:2. The Bible, and everything in it, are indefatigable truth
Yes.

Quote: and must be accepted without doubt or question as factual.
No, 1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is Good. If I did not question every aspect of the bible I could not answer my own questions let alone yours. (Don't just question the questionable, question the foundational.)

Quote:Drich argues the first point frequently, in several contexts. If you point out to him that God is documented, in scripture, as wiping out millions of people without mercy, he will tell you that God is not beholden to Man's morality, as if Man's morality is inferior to that held by someone guilty of genocide.
Big Grin This is good.

This also seems to be the crux of your demila. If it were me I would ask the guy repersenting The Bible. "Why can God commit genocide, and retain any type of Righteousness/Ultimate Morality??" But that is just me, starting a thread to seek out a consensus rather than seek a biblical based answer is just as well. I guess it depends on your utlimate goal.

Quote:If one reads the Bible without their critical thinking functions blunted by faith, it is impossible to justify loyalty to God on the basis that he is good and moral, unless you are willing to profess that the actions his own allegedly indisputable text indicts him of are also good and moral actions.
Good Yes, Moral no. As Morality is man's standard it is quite possiable for God to be outside the bounds of man's morality/the standard in which man has derived from his own version of righteousness.

Quote:If you are a true Christian, you have to read this list and say, with a straight face, that everything in that list is a good and moral action,
Again this is where your arguement fails, for God does not have to be 'moral' or rather judged to be in compliance with the standard of man inorder to be Righteous.
(Another place for you to ask why.)

Quote: because every single crime in there was either perpetrated directly by God himself, perpetrated by men acting under God's direct orders, or done with God's implicit blessing. It is, in fact, not extreme at all to pin every crime ever committed on the creator being who can stop all of it at any time he desires,
So?

Quote: because it is clear that he desires evil in the world. He would not allow it to exist otherwise.
Another place for you to ask Why?

Quote: If you refuse to do this, your faith in God is obviously not total, and according to guys like Drich, a lack of total servility to God means you're not going to Heaven.
Actually it's according to guys like Jesus, Paul, Peter... Drich is just parroting back what was said acouple thousand years ago.

Quote:If you are a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim, or any other sect who pledges his or her soul to Yahweh, you are aiding and abetting a criminal. Which makes you no better than that criminal.
Moo ha ha ha! Hide the women and children here come the religious!
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RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide. - by Drich - November 4, 2012 at 10:45 pm

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