RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
December 20, 2012 at 9:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2012 at 9:14 pm by Brian37.)
(December 20, 2012 at 8:00 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: I have all the evidence I need thanks. I'm doing fine. Thanks for your concern.
Liking what you believe does NOT count as evidence.
Tradition does NOT count as evidence.
Personal "experance" DOES NOT count as evidence.
For any claim to be universal in an empirical sense it has to go outside one's brain into a demonstrable lab and have control groups to insure quality of data, and even after that it has to be handed over to independent review to replicate and VERIFY.
No religion or god claim meets those standards.
We do however have pleanty of evidence of dead gods no one longer believes in and we also have plenty of evidence that humans can and do make up bullshit and falsely believe it to be fact.
YOU THINK you have evidence, but you DONT have any, otherwise you'd be at the patent office and have a Nobel Prize by now.
You have all the "evidence" you need. Good for you, and some people think they are Napoleon too and have "evidence" for such.
Oh and when the word DOES NOT end, today/tomorrow, depending on what part of the planet you live on, many people are going to be as sure about their "evidence" that the world will end as you do in claiming your invisible sky fairy too.
(December 20, 2012 at 11:05 am)Stimbo Wrote:(December 19, 2012 at 10:35 pm)clemdog14 Wrote: I admire reason, I respect it, but sometimes it falters on many levels.
Reason doesn't; the misuse of it does.
I forgot who said it, but "We are all intitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts".
And people missuse logic or flat out dont understand how good logic works. I would't use the word "reason" because everyone has a "reason" and fail to see that their is a difference between a good reason and no reason or a bad reason.
Bad use of logic leads to bad reasoning and in the end a bad reason leading to a bad conclusion.
When a claim(ON ANY SUBJECT) starts out as a naked assertion, anything that follows it is hollow crap.
Bad logic looks like this.
Naked assertion<=pretty stuff, looks nice or "sciency" or wordy, or feels good<=desired conclusion
Good logic works like this.
Prior established data=prior established formula=projected outcome
Anything outside of tested and proven data is nothing but mental masturbation and will fuck up logic and reason every time.
