RE: proof of end times?
November 29, 2008 at 1:37 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2008 at 1:48 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 29, 2008 at 12:56 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: The question always remains no matter how much you believe it can't happen. The question is, "What if?" Think about it for a minute. What are you going to do when it's broadcast all over the cable news channels and internet that a man claiming to be the second coming Messiah has entered in to the Temple in Jerusalem? And this Messiah is raising the dead out of their Tombs? I think that would be a scary moment for atheists. But that's just my opinion and belief.Not really lol. If we're thinking "What if?" what will you do if a giant chariot made of crocodile meat comes to earth instead of Jesus? And he's evil and he destroys the universe. Earth heaven and hell. Everything. But the souls remain and everyone, whether good bad evil, hero or son of God's soul's are tortured for all eternity.
Seen as we're just thinking "what if?" and ignoring probability here! THAT would be a scary moment for EVERYONE.
Quote: As I explained previously. The lack of evidence arguement is flawed. The absence of evidence is invalid until every last option has been explored. Since we know that can never happen.. how can you say for sure if there is a higher power?I'm not talking about absolute evidence. I am talking about current evidence in practice.
If you're suggesting that God isn't probable because there's no evidence whatsoever of his evidence...would you be willing to say the same equally about ALL the other Gods? Zeus? Thor? Allah? Or anything supernatural like the FSM or the IPU?
Quote: Yes, It's comforting to know that believers in Christ are in a no-lose situation. If Jesus was God, I win. If there is no God, that means I don't lose.Errrr no. There could just as easily be a God that hates belief in him and damns all believers to hell and doesn't to the disbelievers. Or even sends the disbelievers to heaven because he approves of doubt.
As there is no evidence of a God at all. There is no evidence that IF there is a God he will approve believing in him anymore than doubting or disbelieving him/her/it.
Sounds like Pascal's Wager to me. A truly spineless argument with no merit or value other than self-deluded placebo.
Quote:You don't have to believe Jesus Christ will return. That is your belief, nothing more, nothing less. You cannot prove Jesus won't return, the same way I can't prove he will.But there's no reason to believe Jesus will return. As there is no evidence he is the son of God or that there will be a second coming or that any God or anything supernatural exists at all.
So why don't you think a purple alien named "bloop" will come to earth and save us instead? Because the bible doesn't say so? There is no logical reason to believe that the bible has any evidence of God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit or anything Supernatural's existence at all.
Why don't you believe in Bloop instead? Because of a book full of bullshit?
(November 29, 2008 at 1:16 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: Well, according to the bible. All tongues shall confess, and all knees shall bow in his presence. I think the LORD will show proof he is the one true Messiah that has returned.But there is no proof of the LORD, you might as well believe that an evil git called "Norg" will come to earth and torture all souls for eternity. There is no proof of Jesus being 'The LORD". There is no proof of the supernatural at all.
Quote:Are you comparing a meteorologist to a Bible Prophet?There is no real bible prophets. Because there is no God. Almost certainly.
I'd compare a gnats erection to a bible prophet. Actually I'd probably even give the gnat's erection the upper hand because it doesn't have a deluded dogmatic belief in a supernatural force that there is no proof of.
(November 29, 2008 at 1:16 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: Well, take in to consideration that the Old Testament predicted a Messiah would enter in to Jerusalem. Do you realize how many centuries passed before Jesus Christ arrived? Can you imagine the thousands of people that were awaiting the arrival of their Messiah, but he never arrived within their lifetime? What does that honestly say about the unbelievers from 950 B.C to 4 B.C? I'm sure there was alot of doubt and question about this Messiah.This doesn't prove shit even if its true.
If a messiah is predicted that's nothing special. Ok, so some people felt like a guy would come that was the messiah then centuries after they died some guy claimed he was but he almost certainly wasn't and isn't.
So what?
There almost certainly is no God.