(June 24, 2013 at 1:05 am)Drich Wrote: "God's standards" are a dividing line that seperates man and God. Man has been told do not do X, not because there is some magical force that says X is always bad, and that God to is bound by this force. What makes X bad is because God said X is bad for us to do.
Right. A single being's whims determine what is good and what isn't. That's called totalitarianism.
Quote:The debate end rather quickly when you have a solid understanding of the very basics (have actually read the bible and understand the core of it.) Most biblical debates go one because neither party really have a basic understanding of it.
What is the one, true and correct interpretation of the Bible?
Quote:All debate begins and ends on one precept. Are we using the bible in it's entirety and are we using passage in it originally intended context? If the answer is yes then 90% of the debates will end on exposing context, along with the basic common sense understanding that we are not Old testament Jews.
Who decides what is the proper context?
Quote:The OT is still being used by God to help us see the unforgiving nature in our own hearts as Christians. When we couple this unforgiving nature with the whole "Treat others as you like to be treated and couple that with the parable of the unmerciful servant." We have all that we need to understand in this life why God does not see us as one of His own.
It's obvious why, because he has decided, for no good reason, that we aren't.
Quote:"Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us." Without the ablity to forgive we inturn loose our own forgiveness. This and loving God with all of our being is the key to biblical Christianity. Not what church tradition holds onto.
Most humans are vastly more forgiving than God, else we would be killing each other all the time for whatever slight we decided was worthy of death.
Quote:Not of God. Of the Family. Of a man's personal honor and commitment to serve, honor and love all of those under his charge. Homosexuality disrupts all of this and says it is ok to persue what ever you want.
It is Christianity which fights against allowing homosexuals to raise families, and Christianity which interprets homosexuality as a blight upon honor. It is Christians who are entirely responsible for this being a problem. Why? Because the Bible tells them it's okay to hate. Just make sure you call it something else.
Quote:is living life as hetrosexuals the end goal? What if the hetrosexual couple you up hold chooses to goto hell? Does that not matter? is this perceive normalacy all that is desired?
Living life unmolested by judgmental bigotry is the end goal.
Quote:Ah, no. If the roles were reversed then the problem would resolve itself with in a few generations (or lack of them) For even your god of science and evolution says homosexuality is a sin against nature, one that's reward is an empty womb.
Which is an entirely meaningless thing to suggest as heterosexuals won't be disappearing off the face of the earth anytime soon.
Evolution and science have no god and homosexuality is no crime against a non-god. Because it is Christians who believe that sex exists only for procreation, not us. Turn off the projector.
Quote: If dad comes home and says: "you know what I think I'll be gay from here on out, sorry 'bout your current life kido but me and Chad here, we are off to do whatever it is we want to do without you and your mother... Then he deserves to be ostracized, just like if he runs off with the cleaning lady.
Yes, he does deserve to be ostracized if he runs off. And you demonstrate, yourself, that this is not a problem exclusive to gay people.
Quote:The only reason for the emphasis on Homosexuality, is because Homos get a pass while hetros still get condemned for doing the same thing.
Only in your own tiny mind does this ever happen. In the real world, straight people aren't the ones kicked out of families, or even physically harmed by them, for being straight.
