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Question for Christians/Muslims etc.
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RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc.
(December 4, 2009 at 9:20 pm)Chilpotlenathan Wrote: And if matter has always been then we would not exist now

Lol - Just how did you arrive at the conclusion that if matter always existed we couldn't?

Quote: for if it did not at one point have a beginning then also by the laws of thermo entropy would occur and all energy would have been lost.

The Second Law applies to CLOSED and ISOLATED systems - Our planet is an OPEN system, we are receiving energy and matter constantly from the sun in excess of the needs of all biological systems on this planet.

Quote:scientist now have to find how that could have been for much of the big bang defies the laws of physics


Nonsense - If you're going to make claims like this you need sources.

Quote:These things are the what Stephen Hawking is trying to prove with his equation for all things.

Just because Stephen Hawking couldn't develop a unified field theory doesn't mean that it is impossible or that we won't in the future discover information that is key in solving the equations.

Quote:Why would a perfect God create imperfect beings

Why would man invent such an imperfect god?

Quote: well, He didn't. He did not create divine beings but He did create beings that were without sin.

Or so your fairytales say.

Quote:Were they imperfect because they made a wrong choice, no. They knew it was wrong and chose to rebel. Man in his desire to be more like God rebelled and created separation with God.

It was god's fault, if the story is to be believed. God created a talking snake and put it directly in the garden knowing that it would talk to Eve, knowing that it would convince her to eat the fruit or the tree of knowledge (i wonder why the bible condemns knowledge???),knowing that they would be kicked out of the garden, knowing that he would have to introduce sin, knowing that in a few thousand years he would have to flood and kill every single one of them and that even that still would not work so he would have to send himself down to earth in the form of his virgin-born son to sacrifice himself to himself, for 3 whole days, before resurrecting himself as the ruler of the universe.... Yeah, it's Adam and Eve's fault that your supposed Omniscient god couldn't predict all of this happening.

Quote: Is it God's fault that He has given you freedom and you chose wrong, even after He told you it was wrong? No. Did God not know we would rebel? No, He knew, but even before He created us, He loved us and was willing to give Himself for us.

God has never told me what he wants, that only comes from people who supposedly speak on his behalf carrying around a book that god was supposedly responsible for.

Quote:Again it is true there are many stories similar to the account of Bible. But my answer to you are that you can also find many counterfeits to the American dollar. Every man be the conviction of his heart tries to make a god into his own image and has perverted the image of the true God.

The difference being their are methods for testing the validity of currency.

Quote:How does naturalism explain the natural mind? If we are just here by chance of random mutations,

I'll stop you now.... It is random mutation combined with natural selection, that is VERY different to random mutation alone because everything is selected against the earth it's self and the environment it contains.

Quote: then our brains are little more than chemical reactions, and our rationality should therefore not be trusted because it is not of anything based upon logic but upon firings due to chemical reactions. I submit to you that man is rational and our rationality is beyond the natural order, in that it exists and is based on reality.

ROFLOL

You're actually going to talk about rationality when your explanation for it all is your favorite god-myth?

Rationality comes from simple observation of fact, a trait apparent in many creatures from very early on in evolutionary development. The ability to know whether it is light or dark is observing fact, knowing that there is more prey during the day is observing fact, knowing that it is easier to see during the day is observable fact, deciding to hunt during the day is applied reason.

Quote:Even if you hate God or even the concept of Him

Sure, i hate any being who would have real and immediate power available to stop children dying of hunger and disease and not do a single thing about it.

Quote: it still doesn't matter, He loves you and sent His Son to die for you.


His son who only had to be dead for 3 days and then got to become the ruler of the universe? That is NOT a sacrifice, that is a fucking awesome deal.

Quote:Christ died for the holiest of the saints to the wickedest of the sinners, for Mother Teresa to Adolf Hitler. Christ sacrifice was so effective that if you repent and believe on Him, He will forgive you of any sin, whether lying, hate, anger, stealing, cheating, lust, pornography, or even murder.

So i can Murder, Lie, Cheat, Steal, Rape, Pillage and torture and just ask for forgiveness and i get a free ticket to heaven? Yet if i live a good life morally, don't commit crime or cause any intentional harm to others what so ever i don't because i don't believe in Jesus?

Where the fuck is your moral compass? No wonder so many sick, perverted people are religious! You give yourself permission to do whatever you want and feel eternally safe.
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Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Darwinian - December 2, 2009 at 6:28 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by rjh4 - December 2, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Amphora - December 2, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by fr0d0 - December 2, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by tackattack - December 3, 2009 at 2:36 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 3:25 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Eilonnwy - December 3, 2009 at 4:30 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Purple Rabbit - December 4, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Rhizomorph13 - December 4, 2009 at 8:16 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by theVOID - December 4, 2009 at 11:52 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Eilonnwy - December 4, 2009 at 9:03 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by A897 - December 27, 2009 at 6:43 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Darwinian - December 4, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 9:47 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Darwinian - December 4, 2009 at 8:12 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Darwinian - December 4, 2009 at 8:48 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Eilonnwy - December 4, 2009 at 9:33 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by theVOID - December 11, 2009 at 1:27 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Edwardo Piet - January 3, 2010 at 8:08 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - December 4, 2009 at 9:31 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Last_ Ray - December 26, 2009 at 5:18 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by leo-rcc - December 26, 2009 at 7:22 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Darwinian - December 26, 2009 at 6:10 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Last_ Ray - December 26, 2009 at 6:58 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Darwinian - December 26, 2009 at 7:32 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by fr0d0 - December 27, 2009 at 8:09 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by solarwave - January 2, 2010 at 7:10 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by leo-rcc - January 2, 2010 at 8:58 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by padraic - January 2, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by chatpilot - January 2, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - January 2, 2010 at 8:08 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by solarwave - January 8, 2010 at 2:51 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Edwardo Piet - January 8, 2010 at 7:37 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by padraic - January 8, 2010 at 6:33 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by tackattack - January 9, 2010 at 11:41 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - January 9, 2010 at 8:20 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - January 8, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by A897 - January 9, 2010 at 4:28 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Edwardo Piet - January 9, 2010 at 6:09 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by padraic - January 9, 2010 at 6:46 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by padraic - January 9, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by tackattack - January 10, 2010 at 2:03 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - January 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by tackattack - January 13, 2010 at 10:07 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Retorth - January 10, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by tackattack - January 10, 2010 at 10:40 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Retorth - January 10, 2010 at 11:23 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by tackattack - January 10, 2010 at 11:29 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Retorth - January 10, 2010 at 11:56 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Amphora - January 12, 2010 at 1:51 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - January 12, 2010 at 1:54 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by KichigaiNeko - January 12, 2010 at 3:11 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - January 12, 2010 at 6:20 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by littlegrimlin1 - January 12, 2010 at 11:03 pm
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Retorth - January 13, 2010 at 2:54 am
RE: Question for Christians/Muslims etc. - by Minimalist - January 13, 2010 at 12:10 pm

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