RE: the case against the case against god
December 4, 2014 at 7:07 am
(This post was last modified: December 4, 2014 at 7:25 am by robvalue.)
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Its a difficult question, because it's such an outrageous claim that the evidence would have to be spectacular.
And the most important thing is defining the claim, as has been noted.
If it's a claim like the Christian God as commonly described (omni everything) then there is no evidence that would suffice. It's not consistent either with itself or reality. You'd have to somehow show how contradictions are possible in reality and logic doesn't work like we think it does. But then you're kind of scuppered if you want to just use any standard kind of evidence to state your case as you threw away all your tools. (Stuff like wave/particle duality is not a contradiction, it's a demonstration of our limited understanding of what we are observing.)
If it's just a vague claim about some powerful something or other, but not with unlimited powers, then just some standard testable evidence would be fine.
It's the default sceptical position to not believe anything without a good reason. So far no good reasons have been put forward. It's all logical fallacies, unsupported assertions, deception and emotional manipulation. I've yet to see anything that doesn't fall into one of those categories. I defer to my personal gods, Matt and Don. Skip to 9:30 if you want to get the low-down of how to tear apologist arguments apart, and why I don't give current religious claims any credence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng2VFfb-4gA
Its a difficult question, because it's such an outrageous claim that the evidence would have to be spectacular.
And the most important thing is defining the claim, as has been noted.
If it's a claim like the Christian God as commonly described (omni everything) then there is no evidence that would suffice. It's not consistent either with itself or reality. You'd have to somehow show how contradictions are possible in reality and logic doesn't work like we think it does. But then you're kind of scuppered if you want to just use any standard kind of evidence to state your case as you threw away all your tools. (Stuff like wave/particle duality is not a contradiction, it's a demonstration of our limited understanding of what we are observing.)
If it's just a vague claim about some powerful something or other, but not with unlimited powers, then just some standard testable evidence would be fine.
It's the default sceptical position to not believe anything without a good reason. So far no good reasons have been put forward. It's all logical fallacies, unsupported assertions, deception and emotional manipulation. I've yet to see anything that doesn't fall into one of those categories. I defer to my personal gods, Matt and Don. Skip to 9:30 if you want to get the low-down of how to tear apologist arguments apart, and why I don't give current religious claims any credence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng2VFfb-4gA
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