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Help Me Understand
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RE: Help Me Understand
(September 16, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(September 16, 2015 at 2:41 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: You should not apologize.  You have given an answer to the question, and he has merely said that he will at some time in the future give an answer to the question.  Your answer is similar to how I was taught as a child.  It can be summarized thusly:

The Bible is the true word of God.
The Bible says that God directly created all species.
The theory of evolution contradicts that.
Anything that contradicts the truth must be false.  (This, by the way, is a tautology.)
Therefore, evolution is false.
 
The argument is logically valid.  Its soundness (or lack thereof), however, is another matter.

One can easily avoid deciding that it is unsound by never properly examining the theory of evolution (and by not examining the reasonableness of the Bible too carefully either).  One of the very striking things about reading Darwin's On the Origin of the Species is how very reasonable he is.  It is understandable to an educated reader; one does not have to be a specialist to understand it.  Some of the examples are likely to be unknown to the general reader, but the overall argument and discussion is very understandable.  Of course, I did not read it when I was a Christian, only after I became an atheist.
The Catholic Bible teaches animal evolution by giving examples of it.  The Protestants believed in magic.

Wisdom 19:18-19 (CEB) = "18 If we are careful to observe events, we can see just how the elements of the universe are transformed. It’s the same transformation that happens when someone changes the sounds that a harp makes by changing the key while continuing to play the same melody. 19 In this way, land animals were changed into underwater creatures, while animals that swam in the waters now moved onto the land."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=CEB

They also believed if you placed spotted sticks in water troughs for the animals, that the non-spotted animals would breed spotted animals. Actually, it’s not a belief, it’s a story in the bible that’s told as if it were true. It definitely sounds divinely inspired to me.. No chance that this is something that some idiots made up.

Genesis 30 37 Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches. 38 Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink, 39 they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted.
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
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Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 1:10 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by DeathByDespair - September 16, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Faith No More - September 16, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by DeathByDespair - September 16, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Faith No More - September 16, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Exian - September 16, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by loganonekenobi - September 28, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Divinity - September 16, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Whateverist - September 21, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Neo-Scholastic - September 19, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Longhorn - September 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 16, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 2:18 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 17, 2015 at 3:19 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 17, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by downbeatplumb - September 17, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by jenny1972 - November 9, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by brewer - September 16, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Kingpin - September 16, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by downbeatplumb - September 16, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by drfuzzy - September 16, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Kingpin - September 16, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by drfuzzy - September 16, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Pyrrho - September 16, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 16, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 4:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Pyrrho - September 16, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Kingpin - September 16, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by downbeatplumb - September 16, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:58 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Cato - September 16, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 16, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 4:43 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Regina - September 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 16, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Regina - September 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 9:51 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Whateverist - September 17, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 17, 2015 at 5:09 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 17, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 17, 2015 at 5:34 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 18, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 18, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 18, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 18, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 19, 2015 at 6:23 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 19, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - October 1, 2015 at 4:04 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 19, 2015 at 12:32 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 19, 2015 at 12:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 19, 2015 at 9:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 19, 2015 at 9:49 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 20, 2015 at 6:15 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Jenny A - September 20, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 20, 2015 at 7:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 21, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - October 1, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Jenny A - September 20, 2015 at 6:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 21, 2015 at 9:19 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 20, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 21, 2015 at 9:21 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 21, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 22, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 22, 2015 at 7:44 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 23, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by SofaKingHigh - September 23, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 20, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2015 at 9:57 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 28, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 21, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 28, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 10, 2015 at 8:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 10, 2015 at 10:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - October 11, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by jenny1972 - October 11, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by rexbeccarox - October 11, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2015 at 10:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 25, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 25, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - November 8, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - November 8, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 11, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 1:38 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 12, 2015 at 1:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 2:05 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - October 12, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 26, 2015 at 8:56 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by loganonekenobi - October 31, 2015 at 3:51 pm

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