RE: Proving Atheism Is True
August 8, 2010 at 12:55 pm
(This post was last modified: August 8, 2010 at 1:00 pm by The Omnissiunt One.)
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The single dumbest thing you have said.
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There's some pretty stiff competition for that title, too.
[quote='solja247']No serious scientists has been able to refute the idea of God. However, most can refute leprechauns, pixies and fairies.[/quote]
Okay... how? Also, refutation of God's existence isn't necessary for atheists, as we believe that atheism is the default position given lack of evidence.
[quote]If the Big bang was a little too big or too small (by just a fraction of a fraction) We would have no live no elements on the period table, no more stars, no planets and no life. So the universe does appear to be fine tuned for life and everything in it. I do believe this is rather solid evidence and no serious person can refute it. The universe appears to be designed. [/quote]
Ah, fine tuning. That old chestnut. This argument seems to presuppose its conclusion, though, in maintaining that there's anything significant about life as a phenomenon. From a non-religious viewpoint, life is just a biochemical phenomenon. Besides, we'd be more justified in saying that the universe is fine-tuned to produce vast amounts of empty space. Given that most of our planet is covered in water, thus uninhabitable for us, and those bits which aren't are filled with other species that can kill us, or temperatures that are either too hot or too cold, the universe begins to look distinctly undesigned for life.
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[quote]You claimed that religion was a manipulative tool and yes in the wrong hands, correcto.[/quote]
Actually, I didn't, though I agree with this.
[quote] However, it can be a tool to enlightenment and understanding. If I was an atheist I would most likely never entered into higher thinking, it was that I wanted to see if my belief system was right, according to the history, Bible and etymology. If I was an atheist I cant really prove my belief system correct, I can go to any sacred text, I cant look at history to see if Im on the right track so I would of been one of those atheists who just go, 'lol you Christians are stupid, go read Dawkins!'[/quote]
Whether or not you'd have entered into higher thinking as an atheist is up to you. Personally, exploring the arguments for God's existence led me into an interest in philosophy. Atheists only need prove their position correct by refuting the theists' arguments, which will often require examination of the 'sacred' texts, or historical information or philosophy.
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[quote]No. Thats silly, thats what science is for. But philosophically, theologically and with our religious beliefs (or none) we are all on the same level if one uses logic and they are rational about it.[/quote]
So are you saying that atheism is equivalent to theism as a faith position? If so... guess again.
The single dumbest thing you have said.
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There's some pretty stiff competition for that title, too.
[quote='solja247']No serious scientists has been able to refute the idea of God. However, most can refute leprechauns, pixies and fairies.[/quote]
Okay... how? Also, refutation of God's existence isn't necessary for atheists, as we believe that atheism is the default position given lack of evidence.
[quote]If the Big bang was a little too big or too small (by just a fraction of a fraction) We would have no live no elements on the period table, no more stars, no planets and no life. So the universe does appear to be fine tuned for life and everything in it. I do believe this is rather solid evidence and no serious person can refute it. The universe appears to be designed. [/quote]
Ah, fine tuning. That old chestnut. This argument seems to presuppose its conclusion, though, in maintaining that there's anything significant about life as a phenomenon. From a non-religious viewpoint, life is just a biochemical phenomenon. Besides, we'd be more justified in saying that the universe is fine-tuned to produce vast amounts of empty space. Given that most of our planet is covered in water, thus uninhabitable for us, and those bits which aren't are filled with other species that can kill us, or temperatures that are either too hot or too cold, the universe begins to look distinctly undesigned for life.
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[quote]You claimed that religion was a manipulative tool and yes in the wrong hands, correcto.[/quote]
Actually, I didn't, though I agree with this.
[quote] However, it can be a tool to enlightenment and understanding. If I was an atheist I would most likely never entered into higher thinking, it was that I wanted to see if my belief system was right, according to the history, Bible and etymology. If I was an atheist I cant really prove my belief system correct, I can go to any sacred text, I cant look at history to see if Im on the right track so I would of been one of those atheists who just go, 'lol you Christians are stupid, go read Dawkins!'[/quote]
Whether or not you'd have entered into higher thinking as an atheist is up to you. Personally, exploring the arguments for God's existence led me into an interest in philosophy. Atheists only need prove their position correct by refuting the theists' arguments, which will often require examination of the 'sacred' texts, or historical information or philosophy.
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[quote]No. Thats silly, thats what science is for. But philosophically, theologically and with our religious beliefs (or none) we are all on the same level if one uses logic and they are rational about it.[/quote]
So are you saying that atheism is equivalent to theism as a faith position? If so... guess again.
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
