RE: I don't understand pantheism
July 26, 2017 at 6:08 am
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2017 at 6:16 am by The Grand Nudger.)
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Some pantheists believe that, but not all.
@Alex.....some nueroscientists would say no, you do not have consciousness, you do not even have a you.
The reason that the inference you used doesn't work has nothing to do with that, though. It's because it doesn't speak to the point of contention (all fallacies are a form of non-sequitur). Use "cold" instead. You have a cold. Does this mean that the human race has a cold? No. Does it mean that the universe has a cold? No.
Whereas, in your case - ignoring what I said above, it does speak to the point of contention. Your finger isn't conscious, but your brain is. Does your finger have a conscious, no. Do you? Yes. "You" being a referent to a discrete system. To make it work in the case of the universe, you would first have to consider the universe a discrete system, something that may contain you, but ultimately not -be- you. You would be like a virus, causing a cold....but apart from your presence, does the universe, as a discrete system, possess it's -own- consciousness? The answer to that is - not that we know of, and further, there's no explanation for how it could have one, even hypothetically. If it did, it would be unrecognizable to us -as- a consciousness, in any case.
Some pantheists believe that, but not all.
@Alex.....some nueroscientists would say no, you do not have consciousness, you do not even have a you.
The reason that the inference you used doesn't work has nothing to do with that, though. It's because it doesn't speak to the point of contention (all fallacies are a form of non-sequitur). Use "cold" instead. You have a cold. Does this mean that the human race has a cold? No. Does it mean that the universe has a cold? No.
Whereas, in your case - ignoring what I said above, it does speak to the point of contention. Your finger isn't conscious, but your brain is. Does your finger have a conscious, no. Do you? Yes. "You" being a referent to a discrete system. To make it work in the case of the universe, you would first have to consider the universe a discrete system, something that may contain you, but ultimately not -be- you. You would be like a virus, causing a cold....but apart from your presence, does the universe, as a discrete system, possess it's -own- consciousness? The answer to that is - not that we know of, and further, there's no explanation for how it could have one, even hypothetically. If it did, it would be unrecognizable to us -as- a consciousness, in any case.
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