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Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
(June 10, 2018 at 10:02 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(June 10, 2018 at 9:35 am)Chad32 Wrote: Yeah, he can change the law, and he should. If he did exist, and was just. Because creating a place of suffering, and sending people down there by default isn't just. Judging people mostly based on whether they worship him or not, instead of their deeds in life, isn't just.

Spilling blood doesn't change anyone. Saying a prayer doesn't change you either, hence the need for regular revivals in churches.

He cannot change the law because you cannot enter the presence of God as a sinner.

Therefore if you cannot exist in Gods presence (as a sinner) then you must exist in a place removed from Gods presence, which by that very nature would be hell.

All good things come from God.

If God is love, there would be no love in that place.

If God is peace, there would be no peace in that place.

If God is joy there would be no joy in that place

If to be with God meant the end of fear, you'd know nothing but fear in that place.

If to be with God meant the end of suffering, you know nothing but suffering in that place.

I think you get the point.

Say we use the sun as an analogy for God, if the sun went away would that not cause suffering?

You call yourself an atheist, and by your own volition choose to remove yourself from the presence of God.

You can't blame God for that...

If that's how things were I could blame him for not making himself known to me. The only thing I have heard of God are ridiculous stories which are completely out of step with the world I live in. To make matters worse, there are a plethora of other similar stories of other gods, all equally ridiculous.

For God to create the bizarro universe you describe and not make himself known makes him culpable of all the people who end up in Hell because they were unaware of his existence.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Albert Einstein
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Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 9, 2018 at 3:12 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 9, 2018 at 9:19 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 9, 2018 at 10:07 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by vorlon13 - June 9, 2018 at 10:15 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Simon Moon - June 9, 2018 at 1:39 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by henryp - June 9, 2018 at 1:48 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 9, 2018 at 2:45 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Minimalist - June 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by chimp3 - June 9, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 9, 2018 at 3:28 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by chimp3 - June 9, 2018 at 3:30 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by AFTT47 - June 9, 2018 at 8:48 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 9, 2018 at 10:24 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 9, 2018 at 10:39 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 10, 2018 at 2:52 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2018 at 3:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 9:14 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 9:35 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 10:02 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by AFTT47 - June 10, 2018 at 10:13 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 11, 2018 at 2:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 11, 2018 at 9:14 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 12, 2018 at 2:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 12, 2018 at 9:10 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 13, 2018 at 1:16 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 13, 2018 at 8:34 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 14, 2018 at 2:01 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 14, 2018 at 8:15 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 15, 2018 at 2:49 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 15, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 16, 2018 at 2:14 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 17, 2018 at 2:31 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 17, 2018 at 9:36 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 18, 2018 at 1:35 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 18, 2018 at 3:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 18, 2018 at 4:09 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 18, 2018 at 4:43 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 19, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Astreja - June 19, 2018 at 1:23 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 19, 2018 at 9:21 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 19, 2018 at 11:55 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 20, 2018 at 8:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Succubus - June 20, 2018 at 10:19 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 21, 2018 at 12:44 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 21, 2018 at 7:58 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Succubus - June 18, 2018 at 5:27 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by vorlon13 - June 14, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 15, 2018 at 12:33 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Astreja - June 18, 2018 at 1:53 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by MysticKnight - June 10, 2018 at 7:59 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2018 at 8:21 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 7:59 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 8:47 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 8:50 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 9:01 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by RDK1 - June 10, 2018 at 9:21 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 9:25 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 9:19 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by RDK1 - June 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 10:57 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2018 at 11:35 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 11, 2018 at 7:35 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 11, 2018 at 12:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 12, 2018 at 12:08 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Drich - June 12, 2018 at 10:20 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 14, 2018 at 11:07 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 12:17 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 12, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 12, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 12, 2018 at 1:55 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 1:58 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 12, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 2:06 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 12, 2018 at 8:13 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by robvalue - June 14, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 14, 2018 at 9:41 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 16, 2018 at 8:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by robvalue - June 20, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by robvalue - June 20, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 20, 2018 at 6:28 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 12:47 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 22, 2018 at 12:46 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Angrboda - June 22, 2018 at 8:48 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 22, 2018 at 8:58 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 23, 2018 at 2:52 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 21, 2018 at 3:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Haipule - June 21, 2018 at 3:42 am

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