RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
December 15, 2020 at 3:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2020 at 3:09 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I apologize for getting frustrated, stuff like this grinds my gears for no reason connected to you, and, frankly, for no good reason whatsoever.
There is no punchline, I keep telling you that. If we assert some cognitive proposition, it is the nature of such propositions to be capable of being true or false. If we're careful with why we think that thing is true, those very same items that we describe will be a running list of how to prove it false, or, if we're being veeeeeeery generous, an inaccurate formulation of our beliefs logical underpinnings, assuming they have any.
I like to draw a line under all of this..and say that there are ways of talking about truth and how we determine truth that can allow for us to be right for the wrong reasons - and I tend to focus on the reasons..as these are expected to be a credible description of what a person believes to be true. So, when I say that a belief is provably false..we can still split the baby and say that..for example..theres a god, but no forge. Or, there's a god, and a forge, but gods not running it and he's doing his level best to help us get out of it. Or, theres a god and a soul forge and both are essentially like forces of nature - not moral agents to have moral responsibilities that require moral justifications.
The belief that, i suspect, is most important to you, can be unaffected by a belief that a soul forge is a moral explanation for the state of this world being false and even provably false.
There is no punchline, I keep telling you that. If we assert some cognitive proposition, it is the nature of such propositions to be capable of being true or false. If we're careful with why we think that thing is true, those very same items that we describe will be a running list of how to prove it false, or, if we're being veeeeeeery generous, an inaccurate formulation of our beliefs logical underpinnings, assuming they have any.
I like to draw a line under all of this..and say that there are ways of talking about truth and how we determine truth that can allow for us to be right for the wrong reasons - and I tend to focus on the reasons..as these are expected to be a credible description of what a person believes to be true. So, when I say that a belief is provably false..we can still split the baby and say that..for example..theres a god, but no forge. Or, there's a god, and a forge, but gods not running it and he's doing his level best to help us get out of it. Or, theres a god and a soul forge and both are essentially like forces of nature - not moral agents to have moral responsibilities that require moral justifications.
The belief that, i suspect, is most important to you, can be unaffected by a belief that a soul forge is a moral explanation for the state of this world being false and even provably false.
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