Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?

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Only the most naive Christians see God as anthropomorphic.

You keep talking about those guys like they're a tiny minority, but in the USA they're over a quarter of the population, and in the majority in some states (like mine).

It’s also not naive. There are descriptions in the Bible. However, I think most christians would believe that the jewish god is a shape shifter.

Here are some extracts from the Bible:

Isaiah 6:1 KING JAMES VERSION
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. {6:2} Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. {6:3} And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, [is] the LORD of hosts: the whole earth [is] full of his glory. {6:4} And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.

^^^^^The jewish god that is being described obviously has a humanoid shape and is sitting in a chair. The train of his robe filled the room. In other words, it is a rich guy and has money to spend on lots of cloth.
In order to be able to sit, you need gravity. gravity is pulling the god in the direction of his chair.
The seraphim has body parts. 6 wings. With 2, he covers his face. Why?
2 wings covers his feet. Why?
2 wings are used for flying. Apparently, these guys are like birds or butterflies and there is gravity. There is also a need for a gas, such as air, so that these bird people can fly.
The primitive jew who wrote this can’t imagine an environment without gravity, rocket packs and alternative methods of getting around.
The house was filled with smoke? Did the fire alarm go off? As usual, there is no information of value here. Just fairy tales.

Genesis 1:26 KING JAMES VERSION
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,

^^^^^Here, it is talking about image and likeness. The christian who believes that the jewish god is a shapeless entity would have to claim that this line in the tanakh is actually talking about the soul, the emotional state.

2 Samuel 22:8 KING JAMES VERSION
Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. {22:9} There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. {22:10} He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness [was] under his feet. {22:11} And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. {22:12} And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies. {22:13} Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.

^^^^^Ancient man thought that their god was a giant or something and causes earthquakes. As usual, natural events were thought to be caused by the gods.
Smoke comes out of his nostrils and he is something like a fire breathing dragon. The ancient man who wrote those lines was aware of the existence of coal.
Apparently, gravity has an effect on their gods.
When the jewish god walks on the ceiling (which is the sky.), it deforms.
In order for god to fly, he sits on angels and these angels flap their wings and they take him from spaceheaven to Earth and from Earth back to spaceheaven.

God has nostrils
Exodus 15:8 KING JAMES VERSION
And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, [and] the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.


God has feet
Exodus 24:10 KING JAMES VERSION
And they saw the God of Israel: and [there was] under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in [his] clearness.



God has eyelids.
Psalms 11:4 KING JAMES VERSION
The LORD [is] in his holy temple, the LORD’S throne [is] in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.


God has a mouth
2 Samuel 22:9 KING JAMES VERSION
There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.


God has bad breath
Isaiah 11:4 KING JAMES VERSION
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.


God has arms
Isaiah 52:10 KING JAMES VERSION
The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.


God has a face
Genesis 32:30 KING JAMES VERSION
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

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Personal and anthropomorphic carry the same connotations, you could say that the latter is a stronger claim to the attributes than the former.  

Personal gods are, simply put, person-like.  The christian god, for example.  Laying aside the fact that they believe their god literally walked the earth as a man....a stronger claim than either descriptor - it's said to have emotions and desires.  Things it likes.  A shitlist.  Regrets.  A plan.  It may not be human, but it's a person and relates to us in that way.

Theism is the belief in a divine person who intervenes.  Deism the belief in a divine person who does not intervene.  Polytheism the belief in many divine persons who intervene.  Pantheism the belief in a divine non person that intervenes (but only by fiat..as it's incapable of not intervening, subtle distinction there).

The type of god that most people will be familiar with today is mono/heno/polytheist.


Yes, we think, therefore god thinks.  We have feelings, therefore god has feelings.  We possess curiosity, therefore god possesses curiosity.  Whatever attribute everything in total has, god also has, the pantheist god is the sum of all things, but not greater than that (that would be a panentheistic god).

The short version of a long story is that...no, pantheism and atheism are not the same thing, one set thinks that everything is the divine x, the other, that there are no divine x's.  We can credit spinoza for the confusion.  If you wanted to do a deep dive, you should ping vulcanlogician.

It is my understanding that there is no christian god. There is a jewish god and it is my understanding that there were various jew sects 2000+ y or 2100+y or 2200+ y ago and they needed a messiah to save them from the evil overlords the Roman empire.
I assume that the Roman empire blew away the jewish army and killed the royal family at some point. Unless if one of you can tell me who the royal family was and the members of 1 st century Israel.
So, there was a need for a messiah. The messiah had a mission to accomplish.

Luke 1:27 KING JAMES VERSION
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. {1:28} And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. {1:29} And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. {1:30} And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. {1:31} And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. {1:32} He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: {1:33} And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

^^^^^It is important that Jesus comes from the line of David because I think they are regarded as the king line and the humans back then had some kind of a respect for the royal family.
Luke 1:32 tells us that the jewish god is going to set things in motion. The jews will have a king again and there is mention of the house of Jacob which I assume is some important family clan.

So, the short version is that:
1. the jewish god is a person.
2. the deist god is a person.
3. the pantheist god is a person.
4. the polytheist god are a persons.

I get confused since sometimes, people tells me that god is love.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.

Some people tell me that my god is science.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.

Some people tell me that my gods are communist, Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot and atheists killed more people than christians.
Well, those are people but I don’t agree with the violence and hatred from Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot.
I guess us 4 have something in common.