(September 29, 2022 at 4:18 am)Helios Wrote:Quote:Which suddenly becomes important, but not so much during the past 7 years, since the invasion of Crimea. Gotcha!So we can't care about Ukraine now because we didn't stop the invasion of Crimea....Flawless logic ......
Quote:Europe is a continent, like Africa or Asia, not an ally.Again because we didn't stop all the bad stuff elsewhere we can't stop it in Ukraine .......Flawless logic ......
You may say there are more treaties between European countries and the US, than with Yemen... But, seeing as the Middle-East bottle got cracked with Iraq and Afghanistan, the question stands.
Quote:Sadly, $$$ speak louder than you or I.This is true
Quote:I don't think you understand how a regime works. Its primary function is to remain in power.And it won't stay in power so it will be non functional
The logic is that there are powers at work that we don't know about.
All I'm doing is asking what those are.
In the meantime, you are using "Hulk, smash" logic. We have to stomp the wrongdoer Putin for invading Ukraine. Which, fine... but by that logic, I'd expect you to apply it as universally as possible.
So, if you think the West (mostly US) is helping Ukraine out of the kindness of their hearts, because [Hulk speak]Putin bad. Me squash Putin[/Hulk], then you are nearly as brainwashed as the propaganda spewing pundits on Russia TV.
To me, nothing that Putin has said, even including his history lesson from 2019, justifies this invasion. Like we agreed earlier, $$$ speak louder. So, where is the money in this? Land? Resources?
Some months ago, I heard that Ukraine's cutting of water supply from the Dnipro to Crimea (fresh water, mind you) was one of the main reasons for the recent invasion... to take control of water. There's one resource. Is this thing I heard correct? maybe... google maps does show a massive canal from the river to Crimea: https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7282828,...a=!3m1!1e3
There are probably other reasons... crops, ore... geopolitical... this did speed up the adoption of the Swift-rival banking system for Russia, India and China to trade on, so expect more.
Don't think that I of Jehanne don't condemn the invasion, any invasion, any war. But do try to consider that maybe we are looking at it from a different perspective which, I think, is a bit less simple than whatever the official narrative is.
While the ideal outcome would be for Putin and the whole current Russian regime to be squashed, realistically that is very unlikely to happen.
Jehanne has been telling you what seems to be the most likely outcome and all you can say is something along the lines of "that is unacceptable, Putin must DIE!!!!"
Come on... be real.