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The question that shatters faith, forever.
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RE: The question that shatters faith, forever.
Here's an excerpt from divo Tiberio's Wiki page.

Quote:The evidence for the existence of Jesus all comes from after his lifetime.[10] The material which refers to Jesus includes the books of the New Testament, statements from the early Church Fathers, hypothetical or reconstructed sources which many biblical scholars argue lie behind the Synoptic Gospels (the so-called Q source), brief references in histories produced decades or centuries later by pagan and Jewish sources[11] such as Josephus, gnostic and other apocryphal documents, and early Christian creeds.[12]


The books of the New Testament are self-serving documents written by believers, extensively edited ( as shown by Ehrman and others) and date, at the earliest from 40-50 years after the events they claim to report.

The "early church fathers" are, again, not contemporary witnesses and it would seem in certain cases suffer from the same lack of contemporary reference as "jesus" himself. ( Paul, for example.)

The Q document is to religion what the tachyon is to science. It is speculated to exist but no one has ever seen it.

The Jewish/Pagan sources are either blatant forgeries like Josephus or references to xtians not jesus from Suetonius and Pliny. Even Tacitus, which I suspect is also a forgery does not mention any "jesus." The Greco-Roman and Jewish writers who lived at the time, (Seneca, Pliny the Elder, and Philo) never heard of him.

The gnostics were xtians themselves which puts their writings into the same "self-serving" category as noted above.
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RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 11:24 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 11:38 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Minimalist - March 19, 2012 at 11:57 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 11:59 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 19, 2012 at 8:26 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:31 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 19, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 21, 2012 at 2:57 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 21, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 22, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 20, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 23, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Drich - March 23, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever. - by Phil - March 23, 2012 at 7:45 pm

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