The question that shatters faith, forever.

[Drich]

So essentially it is (what I call) morally right because God commands it.

No If God commands it it means it is God's Righteousness or God's righteous command. Remember Righteousness is not morality.
Morality is man's attempt at righteousness with the sin he is willing to live with Incorporated into that standard.. Which makes it "moral" or a half way point to true righteousness (Because of the sin you are willing to over look in your version of righteousness.)

Example: is it moral to lie to save a life? yes of course it is. However Lying for any reason falls short of the righteousness of God. Meaning it is a sin to lie no matter what the reason.

Morality in of itself is not a sin, but when one's morality overtakes the righteousness of God it is then referred to as self-righteousness. Meaning a righteousness (a supreme standard) founded not in God but in one's own sense of righteousness/morality.

Understand your "morality" is not based on some intrinsic force of good. "good" without the absolute standard of God is a subjective term. A term often times founded in society when God is ignored. Societies are known for being found at one extreme or the other all the while reconciling their deeds to their interpretation of "morality."

Or did you think Nazis really saw themselves as the bad guys?

This means morality is arbitrary.

YES!

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God is the standard, so what ever He commands is Righteousness...

At the Catholic school I attended ,we were taught:

A thing is not right or wrong BECAUSE God says so,he says so BECAUSE it is right or wrong. The point being that morality is objective and absolute, not capricious.

At age 12,that made perfect sense. Today,not so much. ( Ok,at all)


Drich, I'll put Catholic apologists before you any day. They are not only far brighter and erudite than your good self,they have had almost 20000 years practice. Yet I still think they are full of shit. That might give you a hint of my opinion of the drivel you post.

Then please have them explain all the God sponsored carnage in the OT.

If Killing women and children was all ways wrong then why did God order their deaths????

(i have yet to hear a coherent biblically based explanation from a priest or a bishop on this one)

The general catholic understanding of God in this instance is in error.

God's standard is what sets the standard of "Good." If God said it was good end of story. Even if I do not fully understand or have been left to speculate, i can take comfort in that what He did was Good!!!

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,they have had almost 20000 years practice.

After 20000 years you think they would get it right.

Time has nothing to do with one's personal relationship with, or understanding of God. God can take an uneducated fool who did not start to learn to read till he was 15, (with comic books because of the pictures) and start him out with wisdom that men who spend there whole lives studying religion do not fully comprehend.

1co1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;

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What Drich does not understand is that any such supposed higher standard or principle must first be justified itself. So, simply saying "god is the source of good" is not enough, it must be justified as to why god is the source and whether he actually is. Otherwise, it is simply an empty and arbitrary assertion.

according to who's authority? The popular culture? "society?" Weren't these checks and balances in place in 1930's Germany? What happened there?

What makes an absolute standard absolute, is the fact it does not need to be approved by anyone except the person in authority who put it in place.