(July 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:(July 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm)whateverist Wrote: Touchy. Do you really think any more loyalty is owed to the government of the place where you are born than is owed to the religion in the household in which you are born? If so I would like to hear the rationale.
Completely vapid shit response. Cheery.
I stand for my country and state due to the values I've embraced and will fight for a progressive push in culture instead of cowardly figuring I can retreat to a country that is alien and unknown.
But most of all, most that you convieniently seem to omit, is that a country is made up of it's people.
Americans are of my people. And like family, I'll hold onto the relationship with all I got.
That's not a convincing argument for someone who doesn't feel that same way I do. I get it.
I advise those who don't to get the fuck out and stop raping our country for your opportunities if you don't want any skin in the game.
People who threaten to cut and run are the worst of all -- they try to force their will and then give up when it goes the other way. No conviction, no sticking it through.
Well I'm not one to cut and run but you've completely ignored my ill stated point. Patriotism then is what we are talking about. Pride in birth place, right or wrong apparently in your case. I see plenty to criticize in this country and I won't let a flag waving fundamentalist get in my way.
The nation you are born into is as big an accident as the religion you are brought up in. If you reject the latter but hang on to the former you are at least inconsistent.
Now I am at least as committed to the political process as you are but apparently for different reasons. You seem to bleed red, white and blue while I feel like a sane German citizen must have felt under Hitler. There is lots that is fucked about our country's relationship to the rest of the world to say nothing of how it handles its internal affairs. There is a lot to be ashamed of and I am. I'm committed to the political process because I think we owe it to the world to become a better international citizen and to reign in those who think pre-emptive military action is a valid defensive posture.
But I will never be patriotic and will continue to look down on those who are. Patriotism is essentially provincialism on a larger scale and no more laudable. If you disagree, you can start by telling me how the situation is different than not being loyal to the religion in which you're raised.
But I don't like your attitude. If you can't see the validity of my point of view you and your sort should leave. That is what you're saying to me so let me invite you to do the same. We have plenty of stupid in this country. Shape up or ship out.
