RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 7, 2012 at 11:26 am
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2012 at 11:27 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 7, 2012 at 6:17 am)pocaracas Wrote: @Rythm & Vinnie
While Rythm is advocating the bayesian a priori probability concept "Given A, what are the odds of A? pff, 100% of course!", vinnie seems to be assuming the lack of such knowledge, which would be the reality when no Universe exists "What are the odds of A, given nothing? Some guy came up with this very small number."
You're arguing for two different things and at each other's hair for the other's lack of common ground.... -.-' while being both right...
I already gave the nod to the differences between calculations made before the fact and after. Pages ago. The reason that the conversation didn't terminate there isn't exactly a mystery though-
Vinny can't remove A and still blather on about the possibility of a universe from god. He needs A as a given (because A is the "evidence" for the assertion in the first place). Unfortunately, that removes any relevance of probability and makes his assertions and conclusions impotent.
Strangely, he would also like to claim that the universe, known to exist, is improbable, but he could only do so by means of not assuming A (here again, the universe existing)...which is unfortunate, because again A -is- a given.
I appreciate the attempt to bridge a gap, so to speak, but in this case, with this particular apologist, I'm not interest, no such bridge is possible, and we're not arguing for different things, we're certainly not both correct.
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