RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 25, 2013 at 7:46 pm
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2013 at 7:56 pm by Ryantology.)
(June 25, 2013 at 7:34 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Wait, so you cannot prove that the positive position holds the burden of proof? Then why did you assert that was the case?
That's fine, then. That means I can just say "There is no God" and it's a fact until you prove otherwise. So get on it.
Quote:Not at all, I can justify your assumptions, you cannot justify your own assumptions.
You can offer no plausible basis for your justifications. I'm being honest.
Quote:Apparently you have.
Then, be so kind as to point me to a single example.
Quote:No, you’ve sealed my victory, because now you have to claim to know that God exists as much as you can know anything at all. Either God exists and you can therefore learn about reality, or He does not exist and you can know nothing at all; that’s quite the dilemma to be in.
Prove that God's existence is necessary for it to be possible to learn about reality. Or, if you prefer, prove that I can't know anything about reality without him. You can't win a debate just by making fiat declarations and saying nuh-uh to every response.
Quote:Sure, and since only God’s existence can justify your belief in the reliability of your senses, experienced existence also relies upon God existing.
Proof?
Quote:Where does God say He has problems?
Genesis 6:6
Quote:We know because of how documents were copied back then (by hand), if I make an original copy and then ten different people all copy this original, and then those ten copies are spread around the region and ten people copy each of those copies and then ten people copy each of those copies I can then examine these copies and use the similarities between then to obtain the original reading.
Which leaves you failing to prove:
a: What the original document is and what it actually says
b: That the original is truly original
c: That any copy is accurate
d: That the original is a flawless record of events which are empirically factual
What amateur horse shit.
Quote:That’s not how God defines evil.
Your fellow Christians tell me that evil is whatever goes against the will of your god. Are they wrong?
(June 25, 2013 at 7:08 am)Ryantology Wrote: How illogical is one who believes that the existence of multiple interpretations necessitates that all interpretations are therefore false.
When you prove that a single demonstration is an indisputably correct one, and you take care of the four problems noted above, then you'll be at square one and you actually have an intellectually legitimate basis to make a single claim. Until then, there is no compelling reason to think you're not just a belligerent fraud making shit up, or (more likely) that you're a troll riling us up by making deliberately terrible arguments.