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Federal Government Shutdown
RE: Federal Government Shutdown
(October 8, 2013 at 2:21 am)whateverist Wrote:
(October 8, 2013 at 1:52 am)Airyaman Wrote: People say the Mass care is well like and successful. Bravo, state power. That is how health care should be approached instead of at a national level with 314 million people across fifty states and thousands of cities and towns.

But so long as we're stuck with an unworkably large state structure, the status quo is but one of many options. I personally won't be satisfied until we have single payer and put every single private insurance company out of the health business. However I will celebrate when even this modest attempt is finally fully enacted and funded.

SS and Medicare will run out of money in in decades. Then what? You cannot keep adding national entitlements and expect them to be sustainable. All of them are grossly inefficient. So while you like the idea of single payer, you'd have to find a way to fund it.

We are almost 17T in debt and climbing daily. Without drastic changes, we will continue to pile on debt. Now is not the time to add another debt creator.

@Creed of Heresy, I will try to address your post later, got other stuff to do for some time. I just ask one question in the interim: would countries in Europe be better off if there was a central government for Europe that the various countries had to answer to?
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Federal Government Shutdown - by DeistPaladin - September 30, 2013 at 10:03 pm
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RE: Federal Government Shutdown - by Airyaman - September 30, 2013 at 11:34 pm
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RE: Federal Government Shutdown - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Federal Government Shutdown - by Lumpymunk - September 30, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: Federal Government Shutdown - by DeistPaladin - October 1, 2013 at 12:05 am
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RE: Federal Government Shutdown - by Whateverist - October 1, 2013 at 4:49 am
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RE: Federal Government Shutdown - by Captain Colostomy - October 14, 2013 at 1:16 am
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