(February 19, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: As an atheist who believes faith to be based on bullshit fairy tales and argues for naturalism (look back through this topic to see those naturalistic arguments I had to counter) which covers all atheists on this forum you are a material naturalist.
Deep breath..... huummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
ok...
You do realize that your position requires something called faith, while the atheist's position requires no such thing, right?
Your requirement of faith is there because there is absolutely nothing tangible which you can use to substantiate the claim that there is a god, let alone your particular one.
I refuse to accept that something that magnificent exists on faith alone.
Besides, the holy book you follow is stock full of actual physical interactions between the divine and humanity, so it would stand to reason that such interaction are measurable and, as such, faith would be completely unneeded. Much like those peoples in those stories didn't require faith to accept the existence of such a wonderful being... they had first hand confirmation of its existence, didn't they?
All I ask is the same level of recognition as the people in the stories.
They never had general relativity and Hubble to tell them that the Universe had a definite beginning... they had direct contact with the alleged creator of everything, right?
Well, then I want what they had. And if you were not so stupidly invested in your faith, you'd demand it too.
Until then, stories are stories and reality is reality... and those stories in particular do not match up with reality.