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Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
(July 12, 2015 at 6:10 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:
(July 11, 2015 at 4:45 pm)Nestor Wrote: Fight? Me? Never!
I think I'm pretty familiar with some of the problems Christians have alleged against morality from a secular perspective. But I don't think they can adequately address Euthyphro's dilemma, though they seem to make an attempt by simply asserting that God = the Good. And that, to my mind, is quite question begging. It grants one assumption --- that the Good is an intrinsic property of some thing(s) that exists independently of us, and then asks to be granted another --- that the some thing is a deity whose origin is traceable to an Asian or Middle Eastern tribe of, at most, a few thousand years ago. I don't really see why either assumption should be granted, but I sure as hell don't need to ascent to the latter if it is merely the Good that we're after.

Well, you are the philosophy student, not me.  Tongue

But take a look at this, this, and this, and let me know what you think.

For the non-readers:

[video=dailymotion]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBvi_auKkaI[/video]
I think those basically make appeal to the two assumptions I suggested. 1. The Good is an intrinsic property of some thing's nature. 2. That some thing is God.

Atheist moralists don't need to make both assumptions to ground their ethical theory in some thing --- for many, for example, it's a state of consciousness --- which to them is goodness itself. One could argue for Plato's Good, the true nature of which is unknown, without conceding that we have any reason to imagine this instrinsic goodness to be deity.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life? - by ronedee - October 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm
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