RE: Is killing a witch always a bad thing?
October 28, 2013 at 3:49 pm
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2013 at 4:25 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(October 28, 2013 at 2:58 am)kiwimac Wrote: Wiccans do not worship Satan. They never have. SATANISTS worship Satan. Wicca, as far as it is concerned, is probably one of the most earth and person friendly faiths on the planet.
Heck, for the most part, even SATANISTS don't worship Satan. So many Satanists regard Satan as a metaphor that it pays to disinguish them from devil-worshippers. And among the devil-worshippers, if you take out the ones who think Satan repented or was misrepresented, that doesn't leave many people who worship Satan as a god of evil.
(October 27, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: More than likely if your coming into this thread to answer this question yes,(it is always wrong to kill a witch) you are probably working under the assumption that all practitioners of witchcraft are benign, misunderstood people.
Not me. They're human and subject to the same range of of behavior as other humans.
(October 27, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: In the Spirit of Halloween the family and I like to watch scary movies and the two new ones we've seen are "the conjouring" and the new rob zombie Salem witch/Rose Mary's baby cross over thing. Both with out giving anything away had to do with witches/people who acted on the behalf of demonic forces. Killing, tormenting, and feeding off of others. This was done for the most part supernaturally. So part one of my question is if you and your family were being tormented as these two movies depict would you be justified in killing a witch in this day and age? What about 2 to 3 hundred years ago?
Part one assumes demonic forces and supernatural attacks are real. In the hypothetical situation of them being real, using them would be assault or murder, and if someone was convicted with evidence that in the mind of the proverbial reasonable person overcomes the premise of innocent until proven guilty, it would be permissable to mete out whatever just punishment the legal system applies in the world where assault with a deadly spell is a real thing.
This brings up the question of a world such as that which existed 300 years ago, where most people believed they lived in a world where assault with a deadly spell was a real thing. In that world, if you assume that the supernatural assaults were actually possible, there still wasn't evidence that would convince a reasonable person that those executed were guilty. That's why witches were typically executed under conditions of mass hysteria. 'She's an old lady who lives by herself at the edge of town and confessed when we tortured her enough' or 'she MUST be the witch, who else had something to gain by my crops failing?'. The standard of evidence was so low that pretty much anyone could get anyone they didn't like executed when witch-fever was going around.
(October 27, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Second part what if a group of witches were tormenting, killing members of your family or pets and generally feeding off of the torment and terror they visited upon you using non supernatural means? Again in this day and age or what about 200 years ago?
It's harassment/assault/murder. Supernatural trappings don't change the nature of the crime. You defend your family as needed to protect them and summon the authorities at your earliest opportunity.
(October 27, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: In short where does the modern sense of morality draw the line, or is their no line because the desire to be politically correct has one negate common sense/self defense because these people gather and worship under a P/C protected religion?
The modern sense of morality draws the line at actual harm and convincing evidence of guilt. The desire to be politically correct is not a factor here. No religious practice entitles you to assault people. Religions don't get that type of protection. Heck, Pastafarians can't even smoke pot legally unless they're in a state where it's legal for everyone.
(October 27, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Google it, Witchcraft is a real religion, albeit very benign today. A few hundred years ago it was the only real option to Christianity in the west. It's practitioners did all sorts of terrible things in the name of satan.
For example?
(October 27, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Whether satan endowed those people with powers or not the underlying fact is that much torment and destruction was doled out in his name. Much like the crusades or inquisitions.
If it's a fact, then you should be able to find an example as factual as other historic occurrences. A trial based on more than accusations, torture, and 'spectral evidence', for example.
No doubt in those times there were murderers, serial killers, rapists, and dangerous lunatics. I've no doubt you can find examples of those with a little research. Linked to the European folk religion of the time that inspired Wicca by evidence sufficient to convict a reasonable person? That's what I doubt.
(October 27, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: That in mind the question stands how much would it take to kill someone else who was trying to worship their deity by tormenting you/your family?
What they are trying to worship is irrelevant, only their crimes against my family. The word 'torment' covers a lot of territory, including verbal harassment and embarassing but not dangerous pranks. I would kill someone to keep them from killing or torturing an innocent. Would you do differently?
