Faith is a measure of irrationality

[Bad Wolf]

But my repeatable evidence isn't enough for you.... you've "made up" your mind.

Your 'evidence' as you so generously put it, is not repeatable in any way. It is anecdotal and therefore useless. And yes, unfortunately I have made up my mind, that is to say, I have come to a conclusion based on what you have said. This doesn't mean that I won't listen to anything you have to say ever again. This doesn't mean i'm going to ignore evidence. You're just moaning because I don't believe you, its a common reaction from theists when their beliefs are challenged to just whine and say: 'you won't believe anything'.

And they claim here that we use circular reasoning?

Sometimes you do, but so far I have not noticed any in this thread or seen anyone accuse of it.

LOL! Here... I'll spell it out for you... I believe you. You don't believe me. That plain enough for you?

I want a little more detail. Please explain why I don't agree with you that it was a miracle. Let me clarify: please explain what you think are the reasons for me believing it wasn't a miracle.

Do I need to repeat over, and over that I am aware that "things" could've "happened" any number of ways? Or are you just dense?

I'm aware that you are aware. But you have not addressed this. You haven't explained why you believe it was a miracle over just chance or luck. I posit to you that you are the dense one. Did you just get a 'good feeling' that it was a miracle? That must be it because that is all you have to go on since all the evidence points the other way.

AGAIN... I agree. But, when they happen consistently I take notice. It wasn't just any "shit" happening either!

There is actually a scientifically proven effect (I can't remember what it is called) where as soon as you notice something new, you start to see it everywhere. I have experienced this many times. And I disagree with you, your mother being saved was just an example of 'shit happening'.

So, you wouldn't mind someone taking some shots at your family?

What are we talking about here? Shots with guns? Or just someone on the internet talking shit. If it was the latter, no I wouldn't care because getting mad about the choice of a random strangers words is stupid.

Humans in general Mr Wolf...

Really? Did you ask all of them?

but you are an animal I assume?

Damn right, and so are you. So is everybody.

That was ONE event, out of many.

So bring on the others then.

I have repeatable evidence of "something" happening. Give it whatever "name" you'd like to.

You don't know what 'repeatable evidence' is do you?
And even if you have repeatable evidence of 'something' happening, that's all you have: evidence of 'something' happening. It in no way implies your god any more than it implies allah or Vishnu or thor or odin or wotan.

I'll play along here... You actually farted twice in anticipation of 2 goals?

No, I farted twice in quick succession and then the Netherlands scored two goals in quick succession.

I'd like to see/hear that. Did you record it? Do you have proof that happened?

I didn't record my farts but you could probably watch a replay of the game.

You don't understand why this is funny do you? See, you said you were praying and all of a sudden a doctor ran in and told you your mother would live. What evidence do you have that it was the prayer that did anything? How do you know your faith paid off? Answer: you don't. In the exact same way that I don't have any evidence that my farts caused the two Netherland goals.

I don't think you understand this but I was never claiming that the events I described actually happened but I was simply using it in the hope that a preposterous example would make you think about your own ridiculous position. This seems to have failed. I thought it was obvious though....

I have proof that what happened in the hospital did indeed happen. Also, hundreds of other "happenings", that are complex in their unfolding and nature.

You mean stories, you have anecdotes and stories. I see that you are refraining from using the word 'evidence' and instead opted for 'happenings'. What a fantastically broad word that you can expand and contract the meaning of whenever you see fit.

The irony is that you are looking, but refuse to see!

Nope, that still isn't irony. I'm not looking for anything in particular, I came from a neutral perspective. I assessed your anecdote on its own merits. Unlike you who had already set out looking for miracles. I am an unbiased source while you are not.

Just the premise of a "miracle" bothers you!

Yes it bothers me, because no-body can seem to agree on what a miracle is or what its definition is. And if they do actually define the word 'miracle', as soon as we rule out the possibility of the miracle based on their own definition, they just change the definition.
Also, miracles bother me because, all they are really, are unexplained phenomena. You may claim to know that your event was a miracle and a divine act of god, but you don't. You have no way of knowing. So in the end, it just turns into a huge argument from ignorance. 'We don't know what caused this event, therefore it must have been our god'.
Not only is that a logical fallacy but it is also extremely arrogant and ignorant. It could have been Thor or Odin or Ganesh that caused the miracle, but you have no way of knowing either way but you still claim it was your god.

Why look? That is the question?

Because that is how we progress as a species. We look at something we can't explain and we try to figure out what caused it. If we didn't, we would still be sacrificing goats to Thor every time there was a thunderstorm.