RE: The Original Messages of Religion
September 23, 2014 at 11:39 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2014 at 11:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 23, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Celestine Wrote: A calm sea can turn into a violent storm without notice.-agreed?
(obvs a bit of a platitude meant to describe something else....but I understand)
Quote:I have 'argued' in the past in your definition, only to reach the definition of what I have now.The definition of what, and what was your argument?
Quote:You say the sea will be calm, but I know it to be treacherous. I learn from my mistakes. Clueless Morgan and a few others were only focused on defining virtues, that is not what this discussion is about.If the discussion is about what virtues we might salvage from religion, it -must- start there. Otherwise we have nothing to consider.
Quote:If I were talking about fishing, would you want me to define hooks?If there was (or could be) disagreement as to what the term was referring to, yes - assuming you were interested in forming a persuasive argument. Are you sure - even about this, that you and I are talking about the same thing? If you were to say "hooks are too harmful to fish to be humanely used" - thinking of (and describing the issues with) trebles.....and I responded thinking of (and listing the virtues of) circles we wouldn't even be having the same discussion, would we?
Quote:No, you know what a hook is and I need not define it for you, and it would totally circumvent the more important topic about fishing. I would say that my topic has been circumvented replaced by hooks. You may lock i when you will.See above. What you're expressing here is that the things you've decided to call "virtues" are either self evidently so, or that there is no reason to assume that the definition or set differs between you and I. Is either going to be a very productive assumption to make? Does anything about your experience with anyone here (or anywhere else, for that matter) lead you to believe that we all define virtue in the same way, or that all of us would put the same things into the "virtue" box?
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