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Questions About the Rapture
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RE: Questions About the Rapture
(September 15, 2015 at 5:51 pm)pocaracas Wrote:
(September 15, 2015 at 5:01 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: the Catholic Church was the first

Excuse me for nitpicking... but are you sure about that?

Absolutely 100%. This is a historical fact that is beyond dispute.

The early Church - the Church founded by Christ as promised in Matthew 16:18 - was that which was originally known as “the Way” (cf. Acts 24:14). Later, those individuals who followed Christ began to be called “Christians” beginning at Antioch (cf. Acts 11:26). As early as 107 A.D., those same individuals referred to themselves collectively as the “Catholic Church”. In a letter to the Church of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch wrote:

Quote:You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery (priest) as you would the Apostles. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, A.D. 107, [8,1])

Notice that Ignatius does not take pains to introduce the term "Catholic Church"; instead he uses it in a manner suggesting that the name was already in use and familiar to his audience. This further suggests that the name, Catholic Church, had to have been coined much earlier in order to have achieved wide circulation by the time of this writing. In other words, the Christian assembly was calling itself the Catholic Church during the lifetime of the last Apostle, John, who died near the end of the first century. John, the beloved disciple, may have thought of himself as a member of the Catholic Church!

The Catholic Church began with Peter and the Apostles and has continued without interruption or cessation through their disciples (Ignatius, Irenaeus, Polycarp, Clement, Justin Martyr, etc.) down to the present day. As a side note, it appears that the believers in Antioch may have coined both terms still in use today: “Christian” and “Catholic Church” – terms they used to describe the one body of believers in Christ.
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Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 28, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Valkyrie - September 28, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 28, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Chad32 - September 28, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by vorlon13 - September 28, 2014 at 8:41 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Elskidor - September 28, 2014 at 8:42 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Drich - September 28, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 28, 2014 at 9:24 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Drich - September 28, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 28, 2014 at 10:13 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Drich - September 29, 2014 at 11:39 am
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by genkaus - September 29, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 29, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Drich - September 29, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 29, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Drich - September 30, 2014 at 10:36 am
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by DramaQueen - September 28, 2014 at 9:26 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Whateverist - September 28, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by pocaracas - September 29, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by JuliaL - September 28, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Natachan - September 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 28, 2014 at 11:14 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by vorlon13 - September 28, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Minimalist - September 28, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Mudhammam - September 29, 2014 at 12:15 am
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 29, 2014 at 10:38 am
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by DramaQueen - September 29, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Minimalist - September 29, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Huggy Bear - September 29, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 12:44 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Huggy Bear - September 29, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Huggy Bear - September 29, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by FreeTony - September 29, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Huggy Bear - September 29, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Huggy Bear - September 29, 2014 at 1:26 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by FatAndFaithless - September 29, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by DramaQueen - September 29, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by vorlon13 - September 29, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Crossless1 - September 29, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Minimalist - September 29, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 29, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Huggy Bear - September 29, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Anomalocaris - September 29, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 29, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Neo-Scholastic - September 29, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 2:39 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by professor - September 29, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by mr350 - September 15, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 5:01 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by pocaracas - September 15, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 6:00 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by pocaracas - September 15, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 7:10 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by pocaracas - September 15, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by pocaracas - September 16, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by abaris - September 15, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by abaris - September 15, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Whateverist - September 16, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 16, 2015 at 9:41 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Whateverist - September 16, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Questions About the Rapture - by Jenny A - September 16, 2015 at 11:32 pm

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