Eternal punishment is pointless.

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A Christian that does not know God exists can have no relationship with Him, thus nullifying there claim. John 3:16 states this very idea.

GC

Then he's not holding up his end of the relationship. It takes two people making equal effort to have a relationship. If he's the one who wants one, yet he makes himself hard to find, then he fails. We asked, and did not receive, despite there being a erse saying ask and ye shall receive. Seek and ye shall find. Knowck, and the door shall be opened.

That's your story but, it doesn't match up with scripture. I choose to believe the scriptures.

GC

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Justice requires that if someone accepts Christ as their savior and receives eternal reward, then justice requires an eternal punishment for eternally unforgiven sin against a Holy and Righteous God. This means there are no other choices to be given, there is a limit to what can be offered when the requirements are so specific. Seeing now how this is not blackmail, if hell still bothers you I would think you would want to find out truly why.


What makes you think you can judge an omniscient God, scripture says the clay pot has no right to say to the potter why did you make me into this shape. The creator has the right to His plan without question, so your judgment that God is evil holds no water.

GC

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No one can do something in a limited time to deserve eternal punishment or reward. If someone thinks eternally punishing people must happen in exchange for eternally rewarding others, then take away the eternal reward. You cannot justify eternal punishment. There are a plethora of other options to be given. A simple one is punishment and reward according to what you do. The better you are, the more reward you get. The worse you are, the more punishment you get. Either way it eventually ends, because your life would be finite. What's left is just continued existence in a neutral area, or you could send them back to earth for another life.

It is blackmail. It is evil. You seem to think there's some other reason because you're too busy trying to justify Yahweh's actions to give a legitimate reason why they're just. It's eternal because he never forgives people who die without worshiping him? Holding an eternal grudge does not paint anyone in a good light.

I wonder why you think it "truly" bothers me, after I've clearly given reasons. Apparently you don't know what the words grudge or blackmail means, because you denied that he hold grudges and blackmails people. Why do you think hell bothers me?

What makes you think you can judge Yahweh? You claim he's good, right? We're both using the same source to claim he's good or evil. You say he's good because he claims he's good. I say he's evil because his actions are evil. we're both making judgement calls. If I made a clay sculpture, and gae it free will, it has the right to ask whatever it wants. If I didn't want it asking questions and acting independently, I shouldn't have given it free will.

I read the first couple lines and that's all I needed to, you are screaming like a child who doesn't get his way, saying if I can't have it nobody can. You need an attitude adjustment IMO.

GC

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God couldn't create sin, it's not in his nature. Man brought sin into the world, Lucifier was the first to sin, then the fallen angels. God created the burning pit of fire and brimstone for them.

GC

Lots of failures for an infallible being....

There were no failures on God's part, the created thought they were smarter than the created.

GC