RE: Let's Give The Muslims A Day Off
April 6, 2015 at 6:22 pm
(This post was last modified: April 6, 2015 at 6:24 pm by Mudhammam.)
(April 6, 2015 at 6:12 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:(April 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Nestor Wrote: Let's also not forget that secular values were by and large borne out of Christian values.
You should know better than that. The Age of Enlightenment was largely a rejection of Christian values, as science and reason were valued, and there was a rejection of authority (particularly church authority). This was partly brought on by the rediscovery of ancient Greek ideas that predate Christianity.
That some authors pretended that what they were up to was Christian means nothing, given what could happen to those who denounced Christianity.
(April 6, 2015 at 6:11 pm)Nestor Wrote: @Deist
So, on the one hand, "Of course they were Christians who were inspired by their faith. But they had no choice." On the other hand, "Christianity had no role in the development of Western values."
Makes sense.
No one said it had "no role." What we are denying is your claim that "secular values were by and large borne out of Christian values." There was influence, but it was largely other sources that created secular values.
Okay, maybe I slightly overstated things. But I'm looking at it from the perspective of Nietzsche, who saw much of the ethics advocated by the Enlightenment as Christian in nature but without the theology. That was one of the main points of "Beyond Good and Evil."
@Deist
How many times are you going to repeat, "Shame on you"? Moralizing adds nothing to your argument except obnoxious pretension.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza