(June 27, 2015 at 3:44 am)Louis Chérubin Wrote:
I guess I left out some important info in favour of succinctness. These points corresponds to your above paragraphs.
1. If you read Genesis you'll find that man's sin brought a curse on nature (supposedly). Therefore, his free choice to sin brought the natural evil. Also (this is going to sound wacky), man, in a state of rebellion against God (free will), technically deserves nothing but hell. Thus, anything before death, even the horrors of nature, is better than what he deserves (that's what's called grace).
Your position is self-contradictory. You previously stated "People suffer because of sin (which came because God created man with a free will, the best possible creation)." If this is the best possible creation, then the best possible entails sin.
(June 27, 2015 at 3:44 am)Louis Chérubin Wrote: 2. Free will is the power to act apart from natural constraints. According to naturalism, it is simply an illusion. However, any practical naturalist epistemology requires the assumption that man can reason. If you make the assumption that one part of man's consciousness is trustworthy (which is against pure naturalistic logic), it seems logical to me to make the assumption that free will also is. This seems most consistent to me personally.
3. Free will in heaven? Free will isn't the cause of sin, it simply allows it. The Bible says that heaven will in the future be composed only of followers of God. Those who have chosen to continue their rebellion against God will be elsewhere. . . .
If there were a good god, it would simply make those who would be good, and not bother making the bad ones. Making bad people is simply making souls for being tortured forever, which is evil.
(June 27, 2015 at 3:44 am)Louis Chérubin Wrote: 4. I never said that God doesn't interfere with the outcomes of free will. My favourite book (take a guess) gives some examples of this. However, God has perfect right (being the creator and offended party) to judge man however he wills, including by using other men. The punishment of the ancient Israelites through contemporary Middle Eastern powers is a perfect example. I am not in the place of God, though, so I'm sorry to say I would have to interrupt our picnic.
I hope this helps clarify my worldview.
It shows that you have not thought it through to have a consistent view of god. If god were perfectly good, he would not want any unnecessary suffering. And yet, according to your story, god creates things in order for them to suffer, and does not care to stop suffering when god is perfectly capable of stopping it. Your description of god is with god being a sadist.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.