Hello, i am a real Christian

[True Christian]

What's more religion has undeniably done some good in the world. It has united nations, given people a set of moral values that are good for the well-being of society. For hundreds of years most of the education and medicine was practiced by the Church. Finally most organizations that help the poor sick or homeless are originally Christian.

Hi TC,

I don't want to comment on your whole text - just this last paragraph. I honestly think that you are terribly wrong here. IMO religion (especially Christians) has blocked and slowed the development of our society and has retarded us by at least 1500 years ("The dark ages"). And the church has always contributed in hindering education (it still does - especially in some parts of the US) and had even abolished reasonable medical practice for decades.
Your last sentence is however correct, I guess. But have you ever thought about the fact, that actually most people consider themselves "Christian"? Do you really think they wouldn't help the poor, homeless etc. if they were atheists? The reason these organizations are considered christian because at the time they were founded merely everybody was forced to call him/herself "Christian" (not in the sense I am called Christian ).

Personally, I also have to disagree with you on the point that atheists are simply disillusioned christians (or other believers). I have been raised in a relatively catholic family but my parents were also thoughtful enough to teach me logic, reason etc. I recently came to the conclusion, that I never really believed in god - not because I am disillusioned by religion (I am sometimes disillusioned by people, however). I know several atheists (or de-facto-atheists) who made very similar experiences in their lives.

If I look around me, I have to admit that I am living a better live than most people. I agree that not having anything to believe in (as a god etc.) makes a lot of things senseless - but how could this be a reason to believe in some random spook in the skies?


(english is not my mother tongue - so please excuse any weird use of language)

Atheists base their reasoning on fact, and so do i. It is a fact that the fast majority of education, and not only religious education (especially philosophy, history or languages) was dispensed by the monasteries.
Yes, in many parts of the world some religions hinder education, but i personally went to a Christian school and got the same education as anyone else, and maybe even better. Exceptions exist everywhere.

About helping the poor and homeless, many churches, today, have programs to help. This is a fact observable every day, by everyone, and that has always existed.
And no i honestly do not believe (and i will get a lot of flame for this) that atheists are as giving as theists simply because the code of conduct that theists use considers giving to others a real virtue that should be encouraged. And yes this is partly done because of a fear of God, but if it helps the world become a better place...