(September 10, 2015 at 11:51 am)Napoléon Wrote:(September 10, 2015 at 11:34 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Since when have we started telling people they have some inherent duty to shout down the extreme elements of their faith?
Since the extremists started claiming their actions spoke for the whole.
Which was a long time ago.
Whether people like it or not, other muslims absolutely do have a responsibility to shout down the extreme elements of their faith. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. Nothing more than enablers.
That's horse shit. Every extremist group claims to be "the voice of the people".
So you, white guy, spend your time and energy publicly shouting down the white supremacist groups, who claim that they're just saying aloud "what all white people feel but are too afraid to voice in this PC society".
Am I disturbed and appalled by the 25% figure, cited above? Yes! But there is a significant fear and intimidation factor toward those who would speak out, especially in the countries where they can be retaliated against for doing so, and where most of that 25% live. And yet, they do speak out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZBwWUlkrqQ
Do I think that even the average Muslim is extreme by post-Enlightenment, Age-of-Reason standards? Yes! But I think the same of 75% or Christians, as well.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
