US murder rate close to historic lows.

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I'm just  saying that the murder rate is the relevant statistic, not gun deaths. That's all I'm saying. I'm trying to build these threads into a more honest discussion.

Really? If so, then actually answer my question. I know it's impractical, but it is a starting point...

Do you honestly believe that if all guns were removed from the U.S. that the murder rate would remain static?

Edit: Gun deaths is the relevant statistic when it's gun deaths that are being discussed.

Except that this is my thread and it's a thread about the per capita murder rate. The gun deaths stat was brought it by you to derail my discussion. Also I asked earlier for an example where the per capita murder rate went down with gun bans and you brought in an article showing that gun deaths went down. That challenge remains open.

Also we don't live in a bubble where gun laws have never been enacted. I'll answer your question if you can answer this Do you know what happened to the murder rate in the UK when the UK enacted their gun laws?