RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe
April 16, 2016 at 5:50 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2016 at 5:53 pm by WinterHold.)
(April 16, 2016 at 10:57 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Bani-Israel were preferred over the worlds through God's grace but were not actually chosen like Prophets are. They were selected but not chosen. Chosen (astafa) implies they are special servants of God that God deemed them way higher and way better and chose them in that sense for roles.
Rather they were tried with respect to God's chosen ones, and through disobeying them, they merited God's punishment.
Bani-Israel weren't simply given a book and left to themselves. Allah [swt] appointed leaders who guide by his command among them.
No, you're playing the famous sport of "word gymnastic" to justify a false concept.
They were selected, but not chosen? you can't be seriously presenting this as an argument now..
Mystic, choose and select are synonyms:
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/choose
I'm an Arab. No, the word "Istafa اصطفى" does not imply that somebody is a "special servant that is chosen by God", it simply means that a certain person was picked up from within a group and favored to do something specific, in the context of the Quran it is governed by a golden rule: disobey and you're in hell; I mean you just ignored the verse I brought in the previous comment:
Sura 6
( 87 ) And [some] among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path.
( 88 ) That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah, then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.
Not cool..not cool.
I even enlarged it..
As for the children of Israel, you do realize that this verse exists too, right?
Sura 45
( 16 ) And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds.
Then, explain to me again what this line means?
Quote: MysticKnight said:
Bani-Israel were preferred over the worlds through God's grace but were not actually chosen like Prophets are. They were selected but not chosen. Chosen (astafa) implies they are special servants of God that God deemed them way higher and way better and chose them in that sense for roles.
Not cool..
Compare the verse to the bold sentence in your comment.
I hope you'll come out with a good judgement about the Shia faith.