Dear stupid: how many times does the earth rotate in a year?

[Alex K]

Your problem is that you start with what you already think is the truth, and than fit all kinds of more or less true facts around that as "proof". That's not how proof works. You are just fooling yourself if you start with the conclusion, because you will always find some random things which kind of fit. That's not reliable reasoning - you need to learn about this if you want to know the actual truth and not just confirm what you already believe.

I see what ur saying. And I appreciate this friendly debate or discussion we are having. So because I believe it and u don't we can't go off of that. But because what is listed which is also undeniable fact, in order for u to say its false what u have to do is prove it incorrect. So my point is that, yes I do believe it as true and these undeniable facts increase my faith in it as the truth. Now u have every right to disbelieve. No question about it. But if it is proven as a fact and u can't prove that fact is false, then what is ur reason for not believing it as true?

But - An undeniable fact does not necessarily have to be a proof for anything. It is a matter of statistics that you will most likely find something in a big book that will resemble some modern scientific hypothesis. There are so many possibilities on both sides (remember: you don't fix which scientific hypothesis you want to recover in the quran beforehand, and you don't fix beforehand where or how you expect to find it), and this proliferation of possibilities will ensure that you will find some coincidences that seem to match some scientific fact. That's why in real science such as physics, one needs to specify before the measurement what exactly the question is and what would constitute a "proof" (I am using this word very losely here), and only *then* are you allowed to make the measurement, and are forbidden to change the criteria afterwards.