On Logic and Alternate Universes

[The Grand Nudger]

SAtop.

What do you expect me to do when you keep saying "stop"? Throw my hands up in the air and pretend to agree with you?

We do agree, our agreement is irrelevant to the hypothetical.  :points and laughs:

You do realize that 2 things and 2 things is the same thing as four things? Stop it with the use/mention fucking error. Two things and two things can't be 5 things because 5 things is more than four things. It doesn't matter what universe it is in that doesn't change the reality that something is not what it is not.

:points and laughs:

Because you're another one of those people who doesn't like to be persistently disagreed with?

Because I'm a person who's well of patience is not bottomless.  : points and laughs:

You also were the one who first resorted to insults. I'm sorry that I think you're wrong but I'm allowed to think you're wrong as much as you're allowed to think I'm wrong, there's no need to be an immature cunt about it. I can just as easily pin you as stubborn as vice-versa.

"Waaaaaah, rhythm called me retarded for making pages of retarded posts!"  


I can be a stubborn, immature cunt- and be right, so, tell me more about me. lol.

Ok, you're an idiot. You called me an idiot first and now, seriously, you're an idiot for thinking this. If another thing materializes it doesn't mean that two things and two things is the same as 5 things it means that two things and two things is still four things and another thing materializes but that's completely irrelevant

You must be foggy as to how and why we arranged our simple addition as we did.  When we had two things on our hands, and added two more things, we saw that we had four things.  

-and so, here, to us, 2+2=4.

When they, =there-... put two things into their hands, and add another two things, suddenly, they are holding 5 things...and so, to them..2+2=5. Hardly suprising, since it's a different universe, with different rules, which lead to different results.

"their math"? You talk about math like its truths are based on the concept of minds. They're not. Two things and two things is still four things whether there's a mind to conceptualize it or not. There is no "their math" and "our math", we're not talking about the concepts of logical and mathematical laws, remember, we're talking about the actual truths they refer to. The laws themselves. You're making another use/mention error. Two things and two things will always be equal to four things whether we call the answer "5" or not.

I'm talking about math like it's descriptive, based upon observed relationships of truth.  Such that here, because 2+2 equals 4, we consider that to be true, whereas there, where 2+2=5..they consider -that- to be true.