RE: God exists subjectively?
November 15, 2016 at 2:48 am
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2016 at 2:55 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 13, 2016 at 5:55 pm)theologian Wrote: 1. How about the Five Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas. All 5 arguments there starts with evident things. Does it fail elsewhere if not in its starting point which are evident such change, efficient causality, generation and corruption, degrees in being and final causality? If so, can you please show to me, for I am to convince that there's no God, then one should simply prove that 5 ways are either having false premises or invalid logical form or both.Already commened on that, in response to you, in this thread. I don;t find aquinas arguments compelling in the least.
Quote:2. Well I believe you that there may have unsound or invalid arguments for God's existence. I don't subscribe to reasoning like if something is true, then everyone must be aware of the argument for it. It will follow that both atheism and theism will be false now, if that hypothetical proposition is true, since not everyone really knows all the arguments for both side. So, I suggest, try the 5 ways of St. Thomas Aquinas. For, it is already a compelling argument for God's existence. Hence, given that case, not to look it willfully will just be closing ones eye to the truth and that having to believe that no compelling argument can be seen shall not be the case anymore other than being either a lie or willful closing of eyes to the evidence and arguments, is that correct?Again, already heard them, don't find them compelling. This is why I said, and will repeat...that if the religious had such an argument they'd have long since made it known. It;s not as if aquinas or your god are new ideas, and you;'re not the first believer to show up thinking that you're presenting aquinas to a virgin audience, lol. You won't be the last, either.
Every few weeks one of you crops up "I'll show these guys the argument they've never seen, knock down proof of god" - and then proceeds to spout off the same tired shit as the last guy. You've all got the same pauline fantasy rattling around in your heads.
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