Now I remember why I hated this post concatenation thingy.... I don't get info about there being new posts for me to address...
No need to bring out the bold font.
Just try this trick:
To answer your question, some more info needs to be gathered concerning the Universe itself and what there is beyond it, if beyond the Universe makes any sense.
Allow me to clarify a bit.
Current consensus states that the space-time within our Universe was once "compressed" into a dimensionless point... a singularity. As you can see, that point includes whatever "time" was. This presents a difficulty as we can't really claim anything about a "before the Universe exists", as such a concept may not make any sense, given the absence of time itself, at least, as we know it.
To our minds, this absence of time feels weird. All our actions rely on there being time, so how can we ever conceptualize a timeless action? How can there be anything happening without time? How can anything be created, if there is no time?
Personally, I can't see how this scenario can ever lead to a creator entity... but I can't also propose any natural "creation event". Time is "created" with the Universe. Space is created with the Universe. Space-time and all energy (and mass) are created as one. Maybe that dimensionless point just was. And no more space-time exists beyond the Universe.
But, if we allow for space-time to slip through the singularity, byt not letting it be that small, then the singularity becomes an instant when all energy (and matter) of the Universe was condensed to the maximum, then it is conceivable that space-time exists beyond our Universe... a possibly infinite space-time.
Under such a scenario, it is possible that quantum fluctuations were responsible for all the generation of mass in one particular place, suddenly causing a warping of space-time and our singularity.
Also, if there is an intelligent entity out of our Universe, it should also be a natural being.... just very different from us. The extra-universal alien.
If so, the guy should have others with it. Our Universe is possibly the high-school project of such a being. Or the product of a team of "scientists". Or just a speck of dust, unnoticed by anyone, standing on an extra-universal flower... cue in Dr. Seuss!
Should I try to come up with even more possibilities?
(January 12, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Yadayadayada Wrote:(January 12, 2017 at 5:15 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Again, as far as we can tell, no god is required to account for the whole cosmos.
So, given our current state of knowledge about physics, the creation of the universe by a creator gods is indistinguishable from a completely natural phenomena.
What natural phenomena do you know of that is capable of creating the universe?
No need to bring out the bold font.
Just try this trick:
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To answer your question, some more info needs to be gathered concerning the Universe itself and what there is beyond it, if beyond the Universe makes any sense.
Allow me to clarify a bit.
Current consensus states that the space-time within our Universe was once "compressed" into a dimensionless point... a singularity. As you can see, that point includes whatever "time" was. This presents a difficulty as we can't really claim anything about a "before the Universe exists", as such a concept may not make any sense, given the absence of time itself, at least, as we know it.
To our minds, this absence of time feels weird. All our actions rely on there being time, so how can we ever conceptualize a timeless action? How can there be anything happening without time? How can anything be created, if there is no time?
Personally, I can't see how this scenario can ever lead to a creator entity... but I can't also propose any natural "creation event". Time is "created" with the Universe. Space is created with the Universe. Space-time and all energy (and mass) are created as one. Maybe that dimensionless point just was. And no more space-time exists beyond the Universe.
But, if we allow for space-time to slip through the singularity, byt not letting it be that small, then the singularity becomes an instant when all energy (and matter) of the Universe was condensed to the maximum, then it is conceivable that space-time exists beyond our Universe... a possibly infinite space-time.
Under such a scenario, it is possible that quantum fluctuations were responsible for all the generation of mass in one particular place, suddenly causing a warping of space-time and our singularity.
Also, if there is an intelligent entity out of our Universe, it should also be a natural being.... just very different from us. The extra-universal alien.
If so, the guy should have others with it. Our Universe is possibly the high-school project of such a being. Or the product of a team of "scientists". Or just a speck of dust, unnoticed by anyone, standing on an extra-universal flower... cue in Dr. Seuss!
Should I try to come up with even more possibilities?
