(January 24, 2017 at 3:24 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:Quote:No; use "common sense"; the verses do mean what they say exactly.
For example, this verse:
Sura 16
( 15 ) And He has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it shift with you, and [made] rivers and roads, that you may be guided,
Take it "literally". Mountains increase earth's mass. If they don't exist, earth's mass would decrease. Disturb the mass, and you'll disturb the orbit of the planet.
As for your post; define "before" and "after". Time is irrelevant; scientifically irrelevant unless you specifiy an anchor point like "the big bang" or "the sun".
The initial creation might've been abstract; or even a simple "instruction". Then came the actual execution which took billion of years.
It's very possible. Athiestforums.org exists like this: it's a set of instructions, that get executed to produce what you see.
Just like our universe; written then executed.
"Fate" and "Destiny" and "Meant to Be" mean exactly this.
So.....Which came before; really? earth, sun ?? you're asking the wrong question.
Do you feel the same about these verses? Do these "mean what they say exactly"?
“I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.” Quran 8:12
“Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not the power so to do. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy…” Quran 8:59-60
“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” Quran 9:5
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” Quran 9:73
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.” Quran 9:123
“Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 2:286
“Lord…give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 3:147
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
