(March 8, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:(March 2, 2017 at 6:58 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: Are you pondering the personal "why" did God create the universe, as in to what purpose?
Ex: Why did my wife and I choose to have children? For our amusement, edification, to instill our values, procreation of the species, or to have someone to pass our gold bullion to?
Or is there a reductionist argument as to why the universe was/is a creation?
Ex: The universe has an observable beginning where time and matter came into existence. The universe appears governed by laws and constants and order not chaos permeates it. Life, consciousness, humanity, nature, etc appear designed. This implies a designer. Thus there must be a designer.
But we can prove you and your wife exist. As far as the designer, that's just crap.
Typical response. Obviously well thought out and articulated. I must re-evaluate my position at once.
Whilst I am on the cusp of renouncing theism and prepare to embrace the agnostic jihad that is surely to follow, please provide your empirical evidence and irrefutable proofs as to how you know beyond all doubt that a designer does not exist?
"That's just crap" echoes the weak Christian response of because the Bible tells me so.
