Now and before.

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I take it that you are in support of the "big bang" as scientific fact. Yet there are secular scientist who have considerable doubt about this assumed fact.

Not really, no.

Even if there were, it wouldn't change anything.

It is true, l've no reason to lie.

The Big Bang theory is evidence-based; even if it is eventually overturned (which is unlikely), in the present moment there is still enough support for it to make concluding that it is true a rational thing to do. Likewise for dark matter.

You say it's evidence based and immediately turn around and through doubt into your statement, that doesn't ring of confidence. There has never been enough as the supposed continued expansion showed and then there had to be another reason for the expansion so the supposed dark matter that's invisible gets thrown into the mix for a stop gap. The supposed invisible dark matter is the only thing keeping the big bang from falling apart. 40+ years of lab work and not one little bit of dark matter has shown it's invisible face. I think you meant god's not belief.

In case you haven't realized it yet, the thing that determines which of Isaac Newton's theories we accept (gravity and so forth), as opposed to the ones that we discard (alchemy), is evidence, Godschild.

Newton is considered one of the most brilliant men to live, you and I are a long ways from thinking in his realm.

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I took out portions of your post to make this simpler, not to change what you had to say.

I take it that you are in support of the "big bang" as scientific fact. Yet there are secular scientist who have considerable doubt about this assumed fact.
Lately many things have brought the "big bang" into question and one is red shift. We also know that there is a need for dark matter to keep the "big bang assumption" alive and well with all the new data we have. I'm guessing you are also in support of dark matter. You and most all "big bang" supporters are because it holds the theory together. Yet in the last 40 years in neutral labs as you call them not one bit of dark matter has ever been detected, not a micron of evidence exist for it, period. Yet people make scientific shows and put them on TV, it's written about in magazines and scientific articles like it is the most proven thing in the history of man, and that is a bald faced lie.
Science claims it is invisible an can't be seen, once heard that before from you and them about God, where is He we can't see Him give us proof. Yet you'll accept this magic material, yes magic because it's the only thing holding the "big bang" theory together, no proof not a micron. You toss away Jesus like trash because you think He is a figment of the imagination of the Christian Church, yet we do have writings about Him and from many sources, yet you will support with your last breath an invisible magic matter while calling Christians delusional. What are you going to say after the next 40 years and the "magical matter" still hasn't a micron of actual proof from those neutral labs, which means there still will be no real and honest peer reviews?
Call me crazy and or delusional because l believe in a God who has been argued over and attested to by the likes of Newton if that's what makes you happy. Just remember that you fit your own criticism of my belief in God with your support of dark matter and it's magical properties to hold up the "big bang assumption."

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I don't know what you've been reading, but...

1) By measuring the redshift we can measure how fast galaxies are moving away from our own. With that info, moving back in time, arose the notion that the universe was once in a single point. We'd be moving closer together, if we witnessed a blueshift... but no.

Even red shift is coming under scrutiny and along with no evidence for dark matter there are secular scientist who are questioning the big bang period. It's not my fault they are and since these scientist have doubts and some looking for new theories others like yourself should take notice and ask questions. That is if you are not afraid of the truth.

2) gravitational lensing around areas where no galaxies are visible is pretty good indication of some dark phenomenon, of a massive scale (massive, as in with mass ) is in place. https://www.lsst.org/science/dark-matter

All that has ever been observed is empty space. Just the distance between galaxies is mind boggling. If dark matter were real the singularity would had to be much larger than what has been presumed, if it were the presumed size with all that matter it probably would have blow ie. expanded itself into oblivion.

This evidence may be indirect, but it's there, it's a real effect that can be measured by anyone with a good enough tool to observe the sky.

There is no evidence of anything​, until dark matter is found which I seriously doubt, it's been 40 years and a lot of excuses and nothing not one little bit of lab work has shown us dark matter, supposedly the most abundant material in the universe. It sure hasn't effected this solar system.

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@Brian37, all those people you mentioned help push real science along, you should give credit where it's due instead of trying to down play real science.

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Actually dark matter has taken a setback recently among many top scientists.

Your link does not support this. Even the top result, which is a popular science article rather than an actual academic source, only talks about one specific possible explanation for dark matter not being particularly likely, not the theory of dark matter itself having any actual issues.

And, again, it wouldn't matter if it did, because the theories surrounding dark matter and dark energy are evidence-based. Even if they are eventually overturned, they are still evidence-based.

Theories about the existence of gods are not.

How can you have evidence of an unseen thing, if you apply your logic to dark matter you have to extend it to God. I have never claimed l can give an atheist the evidence he/she requires to prove God, the Bible tells us about evidence {which l accept) but non-believers refuse to accept. So how do l differ on dark matter than from you on the Bible.

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