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What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
(April 20, 2017 at 10:12 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(April 19, 2017 at 10:07 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're a fucking moron.  If the brain is dead then there is no coming back from the experience to tell an NDE you stupid cluck.  That's the contradiction between what you're saying and what happens.  An NDE cannot happen when the brain is dead because then it wouldn't be a NEAR death experience but an ACTUAL death experience.  So no, it doesn't depend upon any "situation" you clueless moron.


Imbecile.  Hi  Cool
Read my previous post in which I do explained to Brian how the term NDE is wrong.
(April 20, 2017 at 8:59 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(April 19, 2017 at 9:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: The bullshit term "NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE" gives it away, "NEAR" not beyond the window. That isn't after permanent death, thus the word "NEAR". Nobody survives death after that window has closed. If you survive you still had enough in you to come back.


I agree that is a bullshit name or term but for different reasons.
I do not know who gave this name to these experiences.
I personally would have given a different name.
So instead of saying NDEs I would have said......DAREs (Death And Resurrect Experiences).
In this way folks wouldn't wrongly think that the chap never really died.

ROFLOL

You're such an idiot.  These people suffer clinical death, the cessation of blood flow and breathing, but not brain death -- the death of the cells of the brain.  There is no resurrection from brain death.  So no, it's named correctly as NEAR death experience.

(April 20, 2017 at 10:12 am)Little Rik Wrote:
Quote:OR it clearly means that they hallucinate seeing their bodies (see here for examples of out-of-body discrepancies).  You BELIEVE that they are actually seeing their bodies from outside of them.  Your 'belief' doesn't count for shit when we have clear evidence that these experiences are generated by the brain itself and have nothing to do with any consciousness separating from the body.  Yours is just a claim that consciousness separates from the body.  You keep making this claim and when asked to back it up you disingenuously point to a website filled with irrelevant NDE accounts and ask us to go digging.  That's bullshit, that's not providing evidence for your claim.  As can be seen from the evidence linked above, OBEs are CLEARLY hallucinations.


Double imbecile.  Banghead
You give me evidence that a brain in trouble is able to produce such clear, sharp and vivid experiences and I will cover you in 24 carat gold.  Indubitably

What in fuckall does that have to do with whether OBEs are hallucinatory or not.  Didn't have an answer, eh?

Regardless, you're the one saying that it's not possible. That's your claim and your burden of proof. So far you've got squat and plenty of counter-evidence in the form of G-LOC and ketamine and anoxia.

"When you have a malfunction in the brain you can not build up a clear, sharp and vivid experience." Little Rik, 4/19/17, "What is logic?"


(April 20, 2017 at 10:12 am)Little Rik Wrote:
Quote:Yet another claim without backing.  You've been repeatedly informed that G induced loss of consciousness and also the drug ketamine can produce clear, sharp, and vivid hallucinations which are similar to those experienced in an NDE (here, here, and here).  So you know that it's not only possible, but actual.


Idiot.  Banging Head On Desk
Similar doesn't mean the same.
In those cases the consciousness is forced to open up to allow some bliss.
This is not natural.
It is similar to a masturbation therefore will cause side effect to body and mind.
NDEs instead are natural phenomena and do not produce side effects.

We've been through this and you didn't have any evidence for it before either.  Picking up on one word and trying to make a feast of it is a chump move, especially when you don't have any evidence.   But look! "Ketamine administered by intravenous injection is capable of reproducing all of the features of the NDE which have been commonly described."  In other words, it's the same.  And your garbage about natural versus unnatural is just that. The question is not whether drugs are bad but whether "clear, sharp and vivid" hallucinations can be duplicated experimentally, and they can.  If a chemical soup in the brain can produce clear, vivid and sharp hallucinations experimentally, then it can also do so naturally.  Your natural versus unnatural complaint is beside the point. (And you're also shifting the goalposts; it wasn't a question of whether the experiences were THE SAME as in an NDE, but whether a 'malfunctioning' brain can produce clear, sharp, and vivid experiences. It can. You failed doubly.)
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief? - by Angrboda - April 20, 2017 at 11:27 am

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