RE: Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth
August 14, 2017 at 10:52 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2017 at 11:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 14, 2017 at 8:21 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote: I am not trying to say that there are different reactions depending on who or what is doing the mixing. I'm saying even the simplest cell is really complicated.That's all you could have been saying. If a specific reactions happens, it doesn't matter whether or not it's life setting it up or any other thing. Case in point, the reactions that our cells use to create life from non-life don;t work because "they're living cells" - but because thats how the chemistry -itself- works.
Quote:To reproduce, many specific materials and conditions must be met.Not at all, self replicating molecules, systems, and structures are common - most aren't even alive.
Quote:It requires various proteins, DNA, RNA, certain cellular machinery made up of various materials. Each of the proteins is made up of twenty amino acids that are only in the L form (not D). So the probabilities of the specific sequences needed is along the lines of 1/20 to the nth power where n is the length of the protein. The DNA and RNA are each made of specific sequences of 4 nucleotides or ribonucleotides. So the probabilities of the specific sequences needed is along the lines of 1/4 to the nth power where N is the length of the DNA and RNA respectively. The lengths of DNA, RNA, and protein sequences are quite long so the denominator gets huge really quickly. Consequently, the probabilities of all those materials and conditions coming together via random mixing of the matter of the universe is extremely small even given billions of years.So, not so much difficult, or impossible...and not a supernatural mechanism...or one which requires a specific agent to accomplish.....just an uncommon outcome? The world is full of uncommon outcomes, isn't it? Still, I don't see any objection here, to anything proposed by abiogenesis. The proposal is that some as yet unknown combination of chemistry, let's call it x, produced the earliest forms of life. This is also what you've proposed -while adding a supernatural agent. By either positions reckoning, it's a fairly uncommon outcome, at least here in earth.
So my objection would be a probabilistic one.
Fun fact, if such a calculation of probability were informative, then it should take me roughly 112 days of 24hour dealing to give myself a royal flush (the odds are 649k to one). How much money would you bet against my dealing that hand sooner? How much money would you bet against anyone getting that hand sooner, if everyone on this board were participating in the fun with their own deck of cards? If I, or any one of us, came to you with a royal flush - would you object to it;s existence by saying
"No, no, I don't believe you could have dealt that, too uncommon an outcome."
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