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If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new

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RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new

June 27, 2017 at 1:21 pm (This post was last modified: June 27, 2017 at 1:22 pm by SteveII.)

(June 27, 2017 at 11:32 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The Bible verse saying hell is spiritual separation from God is where?

I withdraw the question. Christians going the 'spiritual separation' route is an improvement over the 'hellfire' route; and I don't want to discourage it.

It is my view that the immaterial soul is the thing going to hell--which would be an immaterial place/existence/experience. Flames and teeth are material and would have no effect on the immaterial so all the lake of fire/weeping and gnashing of teeth references seem to be metaphors trying to approximate the sensation one's soul will experience when totally separated from God. I think this position is well grounded in verses as well as inductive reasoning.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
"They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

(June 27, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Evil is not the absence of good. It is the opposite of good. It is negative good. It is anti-good. The absence of good is the same as the absence of evil: neutrality.

Thank you for correcting my phrasing. I agree with you.

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If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Roeki - June 25, 2017 at 6:25 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Gawdzilla Sama - June 25, 2017 at 6:49 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by WinterHold - June 25, 2017 at 6:53 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Roeki - June 25, 2017 at 10:42 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Whateverist - June 25, 2017 at 11:58 am

The intelligent design - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 1:33 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Whateverist - June 29, 2017 at 6:16 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 26, 2017 at 6:35 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 6:48 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 26, 2017 at 7:28 pm

If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 28, 2017 at 3:18 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 29, 2017 at 12:06 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 29, 2017 at 12:31 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 29, 2017 at 12:53 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 29, 2017 at 1:12 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 29, 2017 at 1:26 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 29, 2017 at 1:33 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 29, 2017 at 1:44 am

If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 29, 2017 at 9:24 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 29, 2017 at 9:47 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 30, 2017 at 1:59 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Whateverist - June 30, 2017 at 2:03 am

If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 30, 2017 at 2:34 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make . - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 29, 2017 at 2:06 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true... - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 5:39 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 29, 2017 at 11:43 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - June 30, 2017 at 3:27 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 30, 2017 at 1:51 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - July 1, 2017 at 4:20 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 12:14 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - July 1, 2017 at 12:52 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 11:26 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 25, 2017 at 12:01 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Roeki - June 25, 2017 at 12:49 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 25, 2017 at 1:12 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Brian37 - June 28, 2017 at 6:43 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 28, 2017 at 9:26 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 28, 2017 at 12:14 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 1:24 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 1:08 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 12:55 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Huggy Bear - June 25, 2017 at 3:11 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 5:28 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Nay_Sayer - June 26, 2017 at 6:20 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by WinterHold - June 26, 2017 at 7:19 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Nay_Sayer - July 4, 2017 at 1:49 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by WinterHold - July 4, 2017 at 2:28 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Nay_Sayer - July 4, 2017 at 10:31 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 26, 2017 at 6:28 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by WinterHold - June 26, 2017 at 7:30 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 7:49 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 26, 2017 at 11:39 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 11:42 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Chad32 - June 25, 2017 at 10:59 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Roeki - June 25, 2017 at 11:54 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 3:23 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make - by Huggy Bear - June 26, 2017 at 10:06 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Succubus - June 26, 2017 at 1:32 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Huggy Bear - June 26, 2017 at 11:33 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 11:37 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2017 at 5:24 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2017 at 6:46 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 7:31 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 26, 2017 at 3:39 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by bennyboy - June 26, 2017 at 4:53 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 11:15 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design etc - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 10:20 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Huggy Bear - June 26, 2017 at 10:23 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 11:02 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Huggy Bear - June 26, 2017 at 12:49 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 1:43 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 26, 2017 at 3:40 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Chad32 - June 26, 2017 at 5:11 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 6:29 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 27, 2017 at 8:34 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 7:28 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 26, 2017 at 11:13 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 11:18 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 26, 2017 at 11:44 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 11:53 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Chad32 - June 27, 2017 at 9:44 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 27, 2017 at 11:28 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Mister Agenda - June 27, 2017 at 11:32 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 27, 2017 at 1:21 pm

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RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 27, 2017 at 3:06 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Chad32 - June 27, 2017 at 11:58 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 27, 2017 at 12:09 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by drfuzzy - June 27, 2017 at 1:26 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 27, 2017 at 1:49 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by drfuzzy - June 28, 2017 at 1:40 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 27, 2017 at 3:43 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 27, 2017 at 4:16 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 27, 2017 at 4:21 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 27, 2017 at 4:29 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Cyberman - June 27, 2017 at 4:37 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by John V - June 27, 2017 at 4:29 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 27, 2017 at 10:35 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by John V - June 28, 2017 at 4:37 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 28, 2017 at 4:53 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 28, 2017 at 9:33 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 29, 2017 at 12:50 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Succubus - June 29, 2017 at 7:01 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by SteveII - June 29, 2017 at 9:46 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - June 29, 2017 at 10:44 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by bennyboy - July 1, 2017 at 7:42 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Minimalist - July 1, 2017 at 12:59 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - July 1, 2017 at 2:01 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Chad32 - July 1, 2017 at 4:56 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - July 1, 2017 at 5:10 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Chad32 - July 1, 2017 at 5:30 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Foxaèr - July 1, 2017 at 4:56 pm

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RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - July 1, 2017 at 7:52 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Minimalist - July 1, 2017 at 8:11 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 8:24 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Minimalist - July 1, 2017 at 8:30 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 11:40 pm

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - July 2, 2017 at 12:15 am

RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Minimalist - July 2, 2017 at 1:49 am

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