RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread
November 27, 2019 at 11:17 pm
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2019 at 11:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The fundamental flaw in america first or any other type of isolationism, whether it's a republican or a dem peddling it, is how much our own wellbeing depends on being the indispensable nation. I guess it probably seems intuitive to imagine that helping others less will put us in a position to help ourselves more, but it's simply not true.
Global stability, and yes..promoting democracy... is in our own defense and economic interest, as it maintains a world order with ourselves at the top, and all of the benefits that this entails. This is why so much work has been done to convince americans to give up on the globe. It won't help us, it helps despots, cut out and diminished and curtailed by that world order.
Still, sure, we should always think about the kind of country we want to be, and the kinds of allies we want to have. We might also want to look at why we're swirling the drain, in whatever way that we are. The explanation for that will literally -never- be "helped the other guys too much".
You, ofc, don't have to agree with the above on principle. You can very much be against the current world order - but it will remain a fact that maintaining it is in our own best interests. The world can suck, it can fail to meet our expectations or align to the better angels of our nature, but it is what it is. Ceding it, chunk by chunk, to bad actors won't improve that. On that note, I can tell you exactly what kind of country and allies I don't have any interest in. A country that buddies up to fuckers like Assad, Erdogan, and Putin. Especially...especially when it's done by wrapping ourselves in a flag and swearing that we're doing it for our troops. This is what Tulsi Gabbard does, between bouts of regurgitating far right talking points and Hitlery Killington conspiracy theories on Fox, as a self described hawk on terrorism.
Global stability, and yes..promoting democracy... is in our own defense and economic interest, as it maintains a world order with ourselves at the top, and all of the benefits that this entails. This is why so much work has been done to convince americans to give up on the globe. It won't help us, it helps despots, cut out and diminished and curtailed by that world order.
Still, sure, we should always think about the kind of country we want to be, and the kinds of allies we want to have. We might also want to look at why we're swirling the drain, in whatever way that we are. The explanation for that will literally -never- be "helped the other guys too much".
You, ofc, don't have to agree with the above on principle. You can very much be against the current world order - but it will remain a fact that maintaining it is in our own best interests. The world can suck, it can fail to meet our expectations or align to the better angels of our nature, but it is what it is. Ceding it, chunk by chunk, to bad actors won't improve that. On that note, I can tell you exactly what kind of country and allies I don't have any interest in. A country that buddies up to fuckers like Assad, Erdogan, and Putin. Especially...especially when it's done by wrapping ourselves in a flag and swearing that we're doing it for our troops. This is what Tulsi Gabbard does, between bouts of regurgitating far right talking points and Hitlery Killington conspiracy theories on Fox, as a self described hawk on terrorism.
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