RE: Just because She's Topless
January 4, 2018 at 11:54 am
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2018 at 12:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
A recurring theme of the thread. My favorite was when sex crime was compared to offensive ideas.
Philosophically speaking, it's easy to see why this happens. The notions which inform us of why sex crime is wrong are so fundamental and so well established (at least on their own grounds, mind you) that one cannot present a lucid ethical theory to the contrary. A system which includes sex offense as "possibly okay sometimes based on opinions" is not an ethical system at all - whatever that system is it's not discussing what we are referring to in any ethical system. So, one has to "just ask questions" about something else entirely, change the particulars of the situation, or imagine that some specific but contextually irrelevant change to the particulars has an effect -on the ethical system- that it does not.
Thus: "Isn't this a problem for moral realism?". LOLNope. Moral realism as a category soundly and necessarrily comes down against sex offense regardless of whether that realist position is religious or secular, supernatural or hard materialist. Regardless of whether moral compulsion in that system is derived from virtue ethics, duty obligation, contract, construct, super rational benevolence, or cynical pain avoidance. There;s literally no end of reasons why sex offense is wrong -and- harmful...even if harm is not wrong. Worst case scenario..some specifi thing -about- the harm caused is what makes it morally wrong in any anti-realist framework. For example, it being wrong because, in gods opinion, sex offense causes the "bad harm"..not the "good harm".
Philosophically speaking, it's easy to see why this happens. The notions which inform us of why sex crime is wrong are so fundamental and so well established (at least on their own grounds, mind you) that one cannot present a lucid ethical theory to the contrary. A system which includes sex offense as "possibly okay sometimes based on opinions" is not an ethical system at all - whatever that system is it's not discussing what we are referring to in any ethical system. So, one has to "just ask questions" about something else entirely, change the particulars of the situation, or imagine that some specific but contextually irrelevant change to the particulars has an effect -on the ethical system- that it does not.
Thus: "Isn't this a problem for moral realism?". LOLNope. Moral realism as a category soundly and necessarrily comes down against sex offense regardless of whether that realist position is religious or secular, supernatural or hard materialist. Regardless of whether moral compulsion in that system is derived from virtue ethics, duty obligation, contract, construct, super rational benevolence, or cynical pain avoidance. There;s literally no end of reasons why sex offense is wrong -and- harmful...even if harm is not wrong. Worst case scenario..some specifi thing -about- the harm caused is what makes it morally wrong in any anti-realist framework. For example, it being wrong because, in gods opinion, sex offense causes the "bad harm"..not the "good harm".
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