(February 16, 2018 at 10:08 pm)Banned Wrote:(February 16, 2018 at 9:08 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: (sigh) I have the flu. I just don't have the energy to address all of that crazy right now.
You can't convince me of anything about the afterlife, God, or the Devil until you prove they exist. And nobody has been able to do that up until now.
In order to accomplish that feat, you are going to have to get a deity to show up in person. In front of TV cameras and a team of scientists.
And you REALLY need to do some more research on human biology, DNA, and development, if you think that ONE pair starts the human race. Wow.
The condition of the relationship to God will never be showmanship, as the devil would have it, but plain trust/faith, nothing more and nothing less.
What if you were granted a show from heaven, like trumpets, bright angels, whatever, how many people should see it and which one of them can't be labelled as deluded?
And what if you thought you were going mental?
What proof would you have, and how would you explain it to the media?
Would a video recording or a team of nerds with clip boards be convincing?
Or how about an article in a peer reviewed science magazine?
Or how about a reliable TV interview with the mad woman?
How could you prove that you and your group weren't set up to some kind of publicized joke?
Hello YouTube.
What if a whole football stadium of people saw "it" ?
Is it possible to fool the entire world?
How many millions in China believed that Chairman Mao makes the sunrise? They couldn't all be wrong?
What if God put on a light show for the entire world?
It would not change their attitude about who he was, there would still be room for doubt and rebellion, just like there was with the angels who knew God.
Seeing God did not stop the delusion and rebellion there.
We are talking about trust and genuine love here - nothing can prove that - unless that pure love becomes a human being, and suffers misrepresentation, persecution and the death of a foolish criminal. Apparently that was a failure.
The universe is so vast that you could be so far from heaven...where your home is, how would you handle doubts about your safety?
Would you ask for a sign or just trust that you are important enough to God to give his life for?
What do you do in your relationships, do you send them to a clinical trial just to prove they like you, or do you just trust?
(February 16, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Astreja Wrote: Any and all suffering caused by your alleged god's refusal to deal with it in a timely matter becomes the responsibility of your alleged god.
You quite obviously worship a being that's more interested in playing games with mortals, letting evildoers run amok, rather than helping people out of a bad spot. Perhaps it should just take a flying leap into its own unquenchable fire, as it's a useless git anyway.
In your opinion, if there was a creator responsible for human life in the first place, what would you have done, or what would you do now?
You've already bought up a couple of examples - letting evil doers run free, rather than helping people out of a bad spot. And of course the question of suffering.
So what should be done now, or what should have been done in the first place?
Is this a response meant for adults or 7 year old kids? I can't believe you think this is compelling in any way.
It always has to be faith because there is no god, it relies upon people. You have to make all of this stuff up in your head because there is nothing to come down and show itself.
If water rots the soles of your boots, what does it do to your intestines?