RE: Rebellion against god
February 25, 2018 at 6:56 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2018 at 7:25 am by Banned.)
(February 25, 2018 at 1:32 am)Joods Wrote: Here's the thing: you can't even prove any of it's true. Logic and reason recognize the bullshit in the bible. Those of us who know this, aren't afraid to put any theist to the test by requiring that they show scientific proof that the God of your precious book is true. Allow me to demonstrate:
Please provide a detailed list of the false claims you think are being made along with your arguments for why you think those claims are false. Be sure to provide supporting proof (NOT an opinion) of your position as well so that we can discuss both sides.
You have a brain, you can read English, and you will be judged by the Bible, so what you do with it is left up to you.
It's not anyone's duty to spoon feed minds which cannot be enlightened for the lack of personal effort.
God rewards those who diligently seek him, he will not bend for the irreverent and idly curious. Neither will any signs be given to a perverse generation. Their ignorance has been fostered and cultivated through rebellion.
God is not up for sale or revelation to anyone, except those who are sincere and contrite in heart.He has a way of guiding the individual which is none of anyone's business who hates him.
If you loved God, you would recognize his guidance, because the Spirit lives with you, but those who do not love God cannot know him. Why would a God who made the human mind resort to a Muppet show to convince hearts which hate him?
(February 25, 2018 at 12:31 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:(February 24, 2018 at 9:56 pm)Banned Wrote:
Like a work of art that has no artist if the artist can't be seen.
Or a book that has no author, if he or she doesn't show up on demand by those who would like to burn the book.
People are not man-made artifacts, so your analogy as a point, is a failure. We know when we read a book or look at a painting that these things had a creator, because we already know that human beings create these objects. Everywhere we turn, we can see evidence that humans write books and paint paintings. There is no evidence OTOH that human beings, or any other forms of life, were designed. When theists come here thinking they’re arguing for intelligent design, all they’re actually doing is demonstrating their fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific underpinnings that best explain the diversity of life on earth. You’re going to have to do better than an argument from ignorance or personal incredulity.
The point of the analogy got through alright.
Intelligent design can only be appreciated by people who have allowed the Source of intelligence to bless them.
God is the source of knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge can be used in many ways, not just for good.
In the case of the rebellion in heaven - intelligence was used to subvert the truth about God. Things are no different in this world.
(February 24, 2018 at 10:21 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Existence is not a painting . And we know who paints painting human beings
Existence is not a book . And we know who writes books human beings
And neither of these examples work because unlike a writer or a painter . He can reveal himself to the citizens of both .
The analogy says that the universe is the evidence of its Maker.
Some people can tell who the artist of a painting is, even if the signature is missing.
But there are millions who cannot tell who paints what, and their codependent opinion does not change the truth, although, in the case of God and his creation, it certainly removes the truth beyond their ability to ever retrieve it.
Just because denial is easy, doesn't make it appropriate.
