RE: Rebellion against god
February 25, 2018 at 10:34 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2018 at 10:36 am by Fake Messiah.)
(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: English fail, or you are just being subversive.The only fail is that you are just another Christian that never read the Bible and you're talking from what you feel should be true because, for starters, God in the Bible states that humans don't have free will and that God already made them upfront knowing that they will go to hell (in other words he purposely made "evil" people)
Can't you make up your mind? The freedom to choose is the perfect condition required to please God. Your choice, your freedom, your opportunity to figure it out.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30
He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
And even if god gave people free will not to believe in him, as you claim, does that mean that you don't have free will because you believe in him? Or was he such bad creator that he is unable to make other people believe in him in spite giving them free will?
(February 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)Banned Wrote: The text is talking about those who are wise in their own eyes. Like I said, you either know that and are being subversive, or you lack reading and comprehension skills.
It's not an offense to be disadvantaged, but I don't tolerate insincerity.
No, it is actually talking against reason and thinking. Paul is repeating many times that Christians must be stupid and never think in order to be Christians: "Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God." - 1 Corinthians 3:18-19
"What hath the wise more than the fool." - Ecclesiastes 6:8
"We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ" - 1 Corinthians 4:10
This was confirmed by many religious leaders like Martin Luther who is against reason and Christianity still follows that philosophy, it's enough to look at the churches.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"