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Obama, the Republican 5th Column?
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RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column?
(December 11, 2010 at 2:55 pm)Mishka Wrote: That shows you don't know what you're talking about. This is from 2005. With rising health care costs and pension costs, guess what it is now.
http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2005/06/08/as-goes-gm.htm

"The company says that the cost of every new car includes $1,500 for employee and retiree health care costs; no mention of the cost per vehicle for pensions. Look to GM to be the next company to abdicate its pension plan to the feds."

You don't understand. It's not bullshit because I think you were wrong on your numbers.
It's bullshit because it's irrelevant. Welcome to the wonderful world of the cost of doing business.

All you've done is provide good evidence as to why there should be universal healthcare to drive down the overly inflated costs of healthcare in this country.
I also don't give a damn about the 1500$/car cost of maintaining the health and integrity of the company's employees when they can still sell cars at a healthy profit margin. What put GM, Ford, and other companies in the tank was their adamant refusal to sell good cars.

Compare this to several foreign companies that not only pay more per employee for benefits but can also make a quality product. Those people got into the business to sell good cars and not shitty cars. They have CEOs that know how to run a fucking business so I don't give a damn when some CEO crys to some idiot about having to pay 1/10th or significantly less of the market value of a car per car they sell.

He is an idiot and that kind of bitching is bullshit and when his company bothers to make a car that doesn't break down in half the time with half the effort as its competitors, then maybe I might care about his plight. The plight of having to pay worker pensions and healthcare.
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Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2010 at 3:43 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by lilyannerose - December 8, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Tiberius - December 8, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by HeyItsZeus - December 8, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 8, 2010 at 9:11 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by theVOID - December 8, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 8, 2010 at 11:50 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 9, 2010 at 12:07 am
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 2:00 am
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 8, 2010 at 9:23 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 8, 2010 at 10:01 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Autumnlicious - December 9, 2010 at 2:39 am
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 1:19 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 9, 2010 at 1:26 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 1:33 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by lilyannerose - December 9, 2010 at 1:45 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 2:49 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by lilyannerose - December 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by lilyannerose - December 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 9, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 3:31 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 9, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 5:53 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 6:40 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 9, 2010 at 10:54 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 9, 2010 at 11:22 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 10, 2010 at 4:07 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 10, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 10, 2010 at 9:53 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 10, 2010 at 10:54 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 11, 2010 at 2:55 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by lilyannerose - December 11, 2010 at 3:39 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 11, 2010 at 5:20 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by technophobe - December 11, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 11, 2010 at 5:33 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 11, 2010 at 5:42 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 11, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 12, 2010 at 11:46 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 13, 2010 at 2:04 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 13, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 13, 2010 at 3:35 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 13, 2010 at 4:10 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 13, 2010 at 6:49 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 13, 2010 at 7:56 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 13, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by DeistPaladin - December 13, 2010 at 8:28 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 13, 2010 at 5:12 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by lilyannerose - December 13, 2010 at 5:24 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 13, 2010 at 2:56 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Mishka - December 13, 2010 at 6:07 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 13, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column? - by Jaysyn - December 15, 2010 at 2:38 pm

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